Can't imagine the girl that let these guys use her paypal/venmo/cash app account for player deposits/payouts. I can only imagine the tens of thousands in chargebacks/disputes she's now facing. She's the one who got fked the hardest in this.

People going to report chargebacks for charges on 3rd party gambling sites? Seems wont go very far on paypal as long as they didnt accept buyer protection for product but used friends and family.

Hi. I can address this. I'm the one hosting the video.

Originally it was posted on Facebook, then copied over to YouTube by a third party. Andy then did a DMCA to take it down.

Knowing this might happen, I saved a copy, and reposted it on my channel.

I then posted an explanation as to why I reposted it, and offered Andy to contact me. He did. I told him that I would leave the video up and counter any DMCA on it, but that I'd agree to remove it provided:

1) A repayment plan is set up
2) Payments are actually being made
3) Payments continue to be made as promised

So once #2 happens, I'll take it down as promised, but if payments stop, then it will go back up.

We have had a cordial and non-confrontational exchange on the matter. I don't have any personal connection to the Fox Poker situation, as I never played on there, nor did any of my friends. I'm just doing what I can to help the community.

Regarding comments, I am leaving up all real comments, but have been deleting spam. So when you see something like 8 comments but only see 3, it's because I've killed the spam. I am not removing any comments about the situation.

That is completely understandable. Sounds like you are doing a very fair job on it. Thanks for the response

Some good and bad news so far on this.

- Andy made some posts to answer questions and layout a general payment plan that he, Ben, and hopefully Adam will he doing assuming Adam agrees to payback the 120k he took. Even Alex sent out 6k worth of payments I believe. They are looking to pay back the queued withdrawal requests first and then spread out the payments on the remaining open balances
- Several people including myself received a small payment on Friday
- I don't believe anyone received a payment on Saturday or Sunday though, with no updates post on what happened (yet)

I have several buddies on top myself owed between 5-10k crossing our fingers on this. More to come.

No longer working

ASk Dan Druff, he said he was going to take it down if payment plans started, maybe they have?

Lol I’ve played vs Diamondhands on a couple clubs,wonder if it’s the same dude.

DD posted this 6 days ago:

I believe the bolded above (my emphasis) was his condition for removing the video.

https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...te-site-is-DOA

I was in payment queue here and have a poker friend the same as well not paid yet. I'm likely biased here, but people that were involved with Andy should be paid last, due this being the cause of the demise of the site. Yes they should be paid, I'm sure they saw this guy as free money.

Anyone get paid today, looking like another dud?

kinda curious myself to be honest if he's been paying.. Inquiries forth coming anybody been in touch with Dan Druff as he was holding the sword of Damacles over Andys head with that video.

a couple of my friends and I have received shitty 100$ each 4 days ago after pressing Andy on FB beforehand

This is not looking good (as expected). My payments so far:
9/9/21 - $200
11/15/21 - $100
1/6/22 - $60
5/2 - He tried to send $30 via Chime which I didn't have. He cancelled and "initiated transfer" through Gemini. I never received it through there and no more communication on it

On Facebook, there is a group called Chip Depot, where he posted the payback thread. The last post from him in there was a few weeks ago. I'm still owed about $6800. Zach is ghosting, and Alex Shelow is not taking any part of the blame, and is also ghosting this whole topic.

thanks for the post, mate. Couldn't find any payment info in the group, where is it?

Andy still owes me around 120k$, last time he just ignored a couple of my e-mails.

We should not forget about this scam and don't let Andy get away with it

I am gonna be in the USA next week and think about taking some juridical actions. Any thoughts on how it might look like\ laywers contacts\juridical firms that might help\etc?

You could do this but likely he will be considered uncollectable (assuming they hear the case and rule in your favor) and then you will have a bunch of legal bills

However, this might just be a very pessimistic view so definitely get some better advice!

I was a longtime player/agent on the site and know of a few guys who basically made a living off only playing on Fox for 3+ years. It was like a little gold mine and things were all chill until the 10/20 20/40 25/50 started up. I asked Andy who the guys dumping were and he said some ppl rich off Doge. Smh. Andy would give me book for me + players and literally a week prior to the news breaking I paid him 12.5k. The day after sending it I find out a good buddy is owed a chunk so I was kicking myself for not sending to him directly, however neither of us had any worry or suspicion as this site had literally been as rock solid as possible since like 2018.

There really werent any warning signs or changes in behavior, he even played in a private game I ran and always squared his tab on time. I do believe these guys met in person tho, I feel like I remember them talking about it before. They also regularly shipped gifts to one another as they'd post the weird collectable another owner sent to a diff owner. While I think Andy for sure bears a lot of the blame, I think its kinda bs its being overlooked that they all knew and decided to keep taking deposits and keep the site open for a period of time. And now they've all effectively claimed zero responsibility. I feel for all impacted by this, they rly were the homie site charging very fair rake and having a solid community of regulars that all knew one another if not off the table then at least in chat on the table.

Sorta interesting/funny detail-This game was initially started with Raymond Davis, the 'Real Grinders' pedo who has been in/out of jail as a sexual offender.

So basically in that thread on Facebook (Chip Depot is the name of the Facebook group), he would make a post that payments went out to X, Y, Z players...he didn't list every player that was getting a payment, and the replies started to become less frequent. I believe Adam owes a lot of money, and he was going to pay Andy some to send out, but that has stalled. Alex Shelow also needs to be held accountable as after they all found out what was happening, they let him still play with the hopes he would make it back vs losing it all. I'm owed about $6,800, and this crushed my poker grind. It's my own fault for keeping that much online, I know, but this really screwed me over. Fortunately I work full time, and this was supplemental income.

In regards to the legal aspect, I don't see how you can get anything done for obvious reasons, but if you do find a firm that has something to offer, I'd appreciate either a post here or PM.

Ive been somewhat following this situation for awhile from when Fox originally went under and then the truth of the chip inflation by Andy playing on his own site and essentially chip dumping due to his own degeneracy on the site. I cant say Im surprised the repayments have essentially been pitiful at best. While its nice he made some attempt I hate to be the bearer of the obvious which is if you ever expect to see all your money you better hope Andy hits the lottery because thats the only way balances will ever be truly recovered. Im also a little disappointed Todd from PFA hasnt stayed on top of this and reposted the Andy video by now since its clear Andys repayments are nowhere near adequate for the former customers of Fox Poker at this point I would consider Andy in default of his agreement. Not to mention the fact Alex and the rest essentially walked away and washed their hands of it entirely despite the fact they have some culpability and responsibilty to the former players as well.

A completely unregulated poker group which operates through Facebook and offers stakes up to 20/40 NL, possibly bigger? World class whales who dump millions but only play on this single, tiny, unregulated platform and never play in a legitimate setting? Fractional payments through a variety of methods and possibly from multiple sources? No red flags here lmao.

because there are just so many regulated options for US Players (facepalm). Did you bother to consider the realities before you posted this? The fact remains there are few 'regulated' options for US Players unless you live in a handful of states and those options literally amount to only a couple if you live in those states (WSOP and Pokerstars). GGPoker isnt accessible, ROW Pokerstars isnt accessible, PartyPoker isnt accessible; ACR, Bovada/Ignition, etc arent regulated if you think they are your naive no truly regulated site can accept US Players. (double facepalm).

Also there werent any world class whales just Andy adding money to his stack and chunking it off to a bunch of folks because he had no clue how to play poker. He essentially created chip inflation on the site because he printed chips like the US Govt prints money while he was adding chips to the sites economy like a degenerate gambler assuming he could just come back from being cold decked when it was his inability to play sound poker. I know one thing this should sure as hell kill any theories and rumors about PokerMavens being able to be legitimate;y rigged. This was literally laughable as the reverse UB type situation. Ownership playing on the site and losing money hand over fist to the regular players. Maybe we should call Andy Troumbley the Anti PotRipper or the Anti Russ Hamilton.

Don’t play on any apps or third party groups period. Unregulated site means they have no accountability or anyone to answer to.

People who play on these sites overlook obvious signs of getting scammed because their greed kicks in, they are making money hand over fist in easy games like it’s 2007 and they don’t want to face the truth, so it’s hard to feel too bad for them.

ACR at least has a proven track record of 15+ years of operating players funds responsibly, ask yourself why would any choose to play on a shady third party app over acr, 99% of the time it’s bc they can’t beat the games on acr and are allured to making easy money on a shady app without the hassle of having to study or actually get better at poker

Andy still owes me 2 dollars. Will ever trust him again.

If they weren’t paying out for months…..then not only did he use and lose only play money byut he also found a way to steal everything else. It isnt as simple as he lost so there is no money. He didn’t lose anything because they did not pay out and there still is no money