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Old 04-16-2015, 02:34 AM   #176
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Re: Former poker standout Alex Jacob 3-time winner on Jeopardy Wednesday 4/15

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Since its a guessing game between $0 and all-in, I think she has to go all-in. If anyone can support another amount, I would like to know why. I'm not saying another amount could not be correct, but need an explanation vs. GTO.
Her wager was perfect, she has to figure he will bet enough to shut her out even if she doubles , so this way she wins when they are both wrong and she wins when shes right and he is wrong , if she bets it all she only wins when shes right and he's not.
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Old 04-16-2015, 02:46 AM   #177
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Since its a guessing game between $0 and all-in, I think she has to go all-in. If anyone can support another amount, I would like to know why. I'm not saying another amount could not be correct, but need an explanation vs. GTO.
sometimes agro play can cost both of the leaders letting the short stack win, betting that one of the leaders will miss by betting nothing isn't always bad.

I'm not sure why Becky betting everything is going to help her, surely if Alex gets it right too he going to cover her.
look what happen of the January 22, 2015 episode.
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Old 04-16-2015, 02:49 AM   #178
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Re: Former poker standout Alex Jacob 3-time winner on Jeopardy Wednesday 4/15

pretty sure that guy is my dentist
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Old 04-16-2015, 02:54 AM   #179
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Re: Former poker standout Alex Jacob 3-time winner on Jeopardy Wednesday 4/15

Damn it doesn't appear that easy to find a current Jeopardy all-time winners list out there. These are from May 2014:



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Old 04-16-2015, 04:08 AM   #180
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I posted the final jeopardy numbers on my Facebook. The consensus appears to be that the woman should bet exactly $14400.
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Old 04-16-2015, 04:35 AM   #181
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OK...So this (former?) poker player is good at Jeopardy.......He goes all-in on the daily doubles when he has large amounts, which is pretty bold and risky, but it has paid off big on several occasions....but why is his demeanor so blase and his attitude kind of unpleasant?.......on top of everything strange about him is that he doesn't show any happiness when he wins.........am I the only one that finds this kinda weird?
you described every high stakes reg that is good.
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Old 04-16-2015, 04:53 AM   #182
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Re: Former poker standout Alex Jacob 3-time winner on Jeopardy Wednesday 4/15

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I posted the final jeopardy numbers on my Facebook. The consensus appears to be that the woman should bet exactly $14400.
That amount was listed under Second-order calculations
http://thefinalwager.co/2015/04/15/f...april-15-2015/
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Old 04-16-2015, 05:08 AM   #183
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Re: Former poker standout Alex Jacob 3-time winner on Jeopardy Wednesday 4/15

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It's easy to assume her bet. She is betting to pass him by $1, forcing alex to get it right. That being the case alex can bet much less and lock in a victory when both miss. In this scenario when they both miss she wins.
That's true, but that puts Alex in a super awkward scenario.

As you mentioned, If he does make the same wager as her, the only way he loses is if he gets the question wrong AND she get the question right

However, if he makes that wager, and the girl decides to make a huge wager, now she is going to win if she answers the question correctly REGARDLESS of AJs response
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Old 04-16-2015, 07:00 AM   #184
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Re: Former poker standout Alex Jacob 3-time winner on Jeopardy Wednesday 4/15

Really good discussion. I'm a regular Jeopardy watcher (and irregular poker player so usually stay quiet..lol) A few things to add:

The buzzers are on lockout until the audio (usually Alex reading the question) finishes or is far enough into a music piece that the producers will accept an answer. People attempting to ring in early get a lockout delay (not sure of the exact interval but about a second). The cue that the buzzers are unlocked is some kind of light in the players' sight line.

I don't know if upcoming contestants are allowed to watch previous rounds to theirs, but Alex wagered 0 on FJ his first 2 games, so I think the girl made the best possible wager if she saw him do it; she wins she's right and if he bets 0 right or wrong, as well as the both wrong and he assumes she's bet it all and he has to cover if they're both right situation, or if she's right and he's wrong situation. Really tougher spot for him than her, as somebody noted already.

They tape 5 shows a day, not sure how many days in a row. I think he's not celebrating because he's keeping his head in the game; he still has at least 1, hopefully 2 to go in that taping day with only a short break in between.

I think he's going to go a long, long way and I'm really enjoying his brass in going for it during the game. He also does a really nice job of making intuitive and intelligent guesses using embedded clues. Very impressive in GTO, breadth and depth of knowledge, and "buzzer management".

People can no longer tie, but there's no ceiling on wins, either appearances or amounts. He will undoubtedly be in the TOC at some point with 4 wins and that dollar amount already, but he has to finish his run before the TOC tapes or it will be the next year before he can do it.

British game shows leave Jeopardy in the dust in terms of the difficulty. So I'm not surprised Brits on here are going, "what the...". But most American game shows are about huge dollar amounts and cultivating the idea that any regular viewer could win on them; Jeopardy is the "highbrow" exception. British game shows challenge the audience and the contestants (the prize amounts are mostly laughable compared to American shows, so it must be about proving your intelligence, not the money); the closest thing we have to most British shows are our Hi-Q and College Bowl competitions among the brightest students in secondary school and university teams, most not televised (but they should be).
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Old 04-16-2015, 07:21 AM   #185
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Re: Former poker standout Alex Jacob 3-time winner on Jeopardy Wednesday 4/15

Alex finally got some competition and did well keeping his calm when challenged. I was afraid that after his $100 daily double about Moby Dick that he would get rattled but be help his cool and finished well.

The first few episodes they put him up gain at some old ladies and now they threw 2 young contestants at him and he finally got some challenge, from the girl at least.

The girl has good buzzer skills too because you know Alex knew all of the Patriots questions but she got a few.

I'm also shocked that Alex was the only one to get the final Jeopardy question since my gf and I both knew all three. Do people not learn the Greek alphabet in school anymore? Granted I was in a frat so I have it memorized but still, my gf never did Greek life and rattled off all 3 long letters.

I hope Alex gets more old slow buzzer people and less of these quick kids as contestants. I want him to keep going till at least 15 shows. It's the first time I've watched so many Jeopardy episodes in their entirety.
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Old 04-16-2015, 08:59 AM   #186
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British game shows leave Jeopardy in the dust in terms of the difficulty. So I'm not surprised Brits on here are going, "what the...". But most American game shows are about huge dollar amounts and cultivating the idea that any regular viewer could win on them; Jeopardy is the "highbrow" exception. British game shows challenge the audience and the contestants (the prize amounts are mostly laughable compared to American shows, so it must be about proving your intelligence, not the money); the closest thing we have to most British shows are our Hi-Q and College Bowl competitions among the brightest students in secondary school and university teams, most not televised (but they should be).
This. I was a contestant on one in which I solved Planck's Constant, and all I won was a packet of crisps.
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Old 04-16-2015, 09:26 AM   #187
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Re: Former poker standout Alex Jacob 3-time winner on Jeopardy Wednesday 4/15

congrats alex!
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Old 04-16-2015, 09:33 AM   #188
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Re: Former poker standout Alex Jacob 3-time winner on Jeopardy Wednesday 4/15

A person is a Jeopardy contestant who also so happens to be a poker player too?? Shocking I say, shocking. I thought poker players were grimy, dum, scuzbucket degenerate clueless losers. Well, that is what the Sheldon Adelson's, Trumps and their bought and paid for politicians tell me. Go figure!!!!!!!!!
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Old 04-16-2015, 09:50 AM   #189
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Re: Former poker standout Alex Jacob 3-time winner on Jeopardy Wednesday 4/15

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Just to give an idea of his game theory. Going into Final Jeopardy tonight, he was in the lead with $20,700 to 2nd place's $18,600. She wagered $2,101, trying to win if Alex wagered nothing. He wagered $16,501. If he got it right, he would have $37,201...One more dollar than 2nd. She got it wrong and he got it right. In Jeopardy, 2nd place gets $2,000 and 3rd gets $1,000. Her optimal play is to bet it all. If he is playing GTO, she should know he will make it impossible for her to win if he gets it right. His Final Jeopardy GTO play is unexploitable.
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Since its a guessing game between $0 and all-in, I think she has to go all-in. If anyone can support another amount, I would like to know why. I'm not saying another amount could not be correct, but need an explanation vs. GTO.
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It's easy to assume her bet. She is betting to pass him by $1, forcing alex to get it right. That being the case alex can bet much less and lock in a victory when both miss. In this scenario when they both miss she wins.
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I posted the final jeopardy numbers on my Facebook. The consensus appears to be that the woman should bet exactly $14400.
Good gosh some of you guys have zero clue.

The leader has to wager enough to cover a double up from second. Don't even try to go any level deeper because way too ofter second place makes the idiot suicide wager by betting everything. Second place can't win unless the leader gets it wrong, so betting everything is asinine. Second therefore should wager an amount that keep him/her ahead of the leader should the leader miss, since it's known what the leader will wager. If third place is in the mix you have to take that into consideration as well.

The lady made a good wager, one that would give her the win should both miss. $14400 is a valid wager, it keeps her ahead by $1. However that should only be done if she is >50% to be correct on FJ based on the category. Otherwise she should wager what she did.
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Old 04-16-2015, 11:16 AM   #190
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Re: Former poker standout Alex Jacob 3-time winner on Jeopardy Wednesday 4/15

Noob question...can you get AJo in Jeopardy?
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Old 04-16-2015, 11:31 AM   #191
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Noob question...can you get AJo in Jeopardy?
haha, no, but they had this.. skip to 37 seconds
unbelievably easy question about poker.
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Old 04-16-2015, 12:05 PM   #192
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Re: Former poker standout Alex Jacob 3-time winner on Jeopardy Wednesday 4/15

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I'd say your presumption is way off base. Why would you think poker players would have an advantage at buzzer speed?
I would say quiz specialists would be the best group.
They would be better at adapting. Assuming no one has used a buzzer before. Yes, I agree a quiz specialist should be better.
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Old 04-16-2015, 02:00 PM   #193
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Re: Former poker standout Alex Jacob 4-time winner on Jeopardy Thursday 4/16

lol phil laak aka the unibomber was a question on jeopardy hahahhaah

is he that famous?!?
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Old 04-16-2015, 03:13 PM   #194
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Re: Former poker standout Alex Jacob 4-time winner on Jeopardy Thursday 4/16

He reminds me of Jonah Hill.
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Old 04-16-2015, 04:42 PM   #195
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Re: Former poker standout Alex Jacob 4-time winner on Jeopardy Thursday 4/16

Never watched Jeopardy but I was carry over champ for 4 nights on Wheel of Fortune once until they rigged it against me for showing no emotion.
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Old 04-16-2015, 04:45 PM   #196
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Never watched Jeopardy but I was carry over champ for 4 nights on Wheel of Fortune once until they rigged it against me for showing no emotion.
Trip report??

(which presumably will include how the F you can rig WOF)
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Old 04-16-2015, 04:59 PM   #197
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Re: Former poker standout Alex Jacob 3-time winner on Jeopardy Wednesday 4/15

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Damn it doesn't appear that easy to find a current Jeopardy all-time winners list out there. These are from May 2014:



Good stuff............. although i think ken jennings has now lost 2 fairly recent big $$$$$ J tourneys to brad rutter. can't remember why it would be 2 tourneys to same guy fairly recently but i think that's correct.

on alex' FJ wager, if you know the greek alphabet i'd say you have pretty good odds of getting FJ i.e. before they post FJ. i don't think of the greek alphabet as really open-ended in terms of FJ questions vs. american presidents for example. and greek alphabet is one of hundreds of simple things to learn/memorize before going on show, although i would bet alex J just knows it independent of jeopardy.
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Old 04-16-2015, 05:11 PM   #198
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Trip report??

(which presumably will include how the F you can rig WOF)
Well the rigged bit is a bit of speculation and a kind of joke I've always maintained. Nothing too sinister.

It is true that I showed little emotion on the show when I was winning the major prizes and it is true that a jolly fat woman knocked me out when she solved a phrase with only one letter revealed.
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Old 04-16-2015, 05:36 PM   #199
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Re: Former poker standout Alex Jacob 4-time winner on Jeopardy Thursday 4/16

Watching today's episode now. He loves to tank, I assume this is a strategy?
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Old 04-16-2015, 05:52 PM   #200
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Well the rigged bit is a bit of speculation and a kind of joke I've always maintained. Nothing too sinister.

It is true that I showed little emotion on the show when I was winning the major prizes and it is true that a jolly fat woman knocked me out when she solved a phrase with only one letter revealed.
Thats happened before on multiple occasions and I dont understand how one puzzle could have influenced the game to that high of a degree.

When you consider the fact that developed puzzles are the ones that dish out the most doe, it is weird to think that a one letter puzzle could have influenced the final outcome (unless that one letter was worth like 20k lol).

Thus, I still dont know how you feel you were "cheated" by a women who knew the ***** puzzle after one letter and was too dumb to milk it for doe b4 solving.
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