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Former PAD Host Leeann Tweeden accuses Sen Al Franken of Groping and Kissing her Former PAD Host Leeann Tweeden accuses Sen Al Franken of Groping and Kissing her

11-16-2017 , 06:44 PM
She gave a pretty impressive half an hour interview with Jack Tapper on CNN. Comes off incredibly genuine and credible.

Something else she brings up is the 15 million dollars that supposedly has been used of taxpayer money to settle sexual disputes involving lawmakers on capital hill and the need to make the perpetrators public.

I think this is going to be just the start of some of these "creeps" in congress being revealed.





Last edited by BartHanson; 11-16-2017 at 06:53 PM.
11-16-2017 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DangTheRiver
Not to minimize anything, but in the picture he's faux-grabbing her, there doesn't appear to be contact.

If a girl bends over in front of me and I air-hump her to make my friends laugh I didn't actually rape her did I? It may be an immature and completely inappropriate thing to do but...



Edit: Oh he kissed her. My bad.
If you read her story, the context makes this pic make a lot of sense.
11-16-2017 , 06:49 PM
Nothing political at all here... I believe her. Everything about her and her life makes me believe her. I just dont know a happily married mom is going in on Al Franken just to ruin his name.
11-16-2017 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
I'm not totally understanding what you are saying in regards to Hannity. I believe she works on a local morning radio show and works on Fox Sports 1's UFC Tonight. I read that she has been a guest panelist on Fox News shows including Hannity. Do you think that has influenced her decision to come out, or are you saying she may actually be getting paid to come out with this now?
The former, not the ladder. I have no actual evidence towards why she would be doing this, but on top of Hannity's embarrassing defense of the Moore allegations, Roger Stone had knowledge of this story well in advance and advertised it a day or two ago.

Either way, I did not intend to let my opinion of the timing take away from her claims. I have no doubt Franken did what he's accused of, so we will have to see the scope, severity and the possibility of the existence of further allegations.

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11-16-2017 , 07:18 PM
It's not really groping when you have a flak jacket on lol. However he shouldn't be touching people he doesn't know that well while they are sleeping. I believe the tongue story though.
11-16-2017 , 07:23 PM
I believe that what Tweeden said happened is basically true. But these seem like comedy pranks of the sort that appear on SNL every week. They are lame jokes that are probably embarrassing to all parties. And Franken clearly overestimated Tweeden's willingness to be publicly embarrassed. But they are not assault.
11-16-2017 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DangTheRiver
If a girl bends over in front of me and I air-hump her to make my friends laugh I didn't actually rape her did I? It may be an immature and completely inappropriate thing to do but...
Glad to see Peyton Manning here on 2+2.
11-16-2017 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by NickMPK
I believe that what Tweeden said happened is basically true. But these seem like comedy pranks of the sort that appear on SNL every week. They are lame jokes that are probably embarrassing to all parties. And Franken clearly overestimated Tweeden's willingness to be publicly embarrassed. But they are not assault.
Aren't SNL members willing participants? Like, wouldn't the SNL cast members have to give their approval before Al Franken sticks his tongue down their throat?
11-16-2017 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Aren't SNL members willing participants? Like, wouldn't the SNL cast members have to give their approval before Al Franken sticks his tongue down their throat?
Right, but Tweeden -did- give her consent to the kiss. She was taken aback by how slobbery it was. But I imagine that's because Franken thought it would be funnier that way, not because he was trying to make some sort of move on her.
11-16-2017 , 08:00 PM
Oh so you're actually buying that he needed to practice a kiss rather than just wanting to make out with a woman that is 100 times hotter than his wife.
11-16-2017 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by NickMPK
Right, but Tweeden -did- give her consent to the kiss. She was taken aback by how slobbery it was. But I imagine that's because Franken thought it would be funnier that way, not because he was trying to make some sort of move on her.
Wow. I bet backstage with a smoking hot woman that's exactly what he was going for in a REHEARSAL was the humor by giving a slobbery kiss with his tongue going in her mouth. Good read.
11-16-2017 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Oh so you're actually buying that he needed to practice a kiss rather than just wanting to make out with a woman that is 100 times hotter than his wife.
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Originally Posted by Nocturnity
Wow. I bet backstage with a smoking hot woman that's exactly what he was going for in a REHEARSAL was the humor by giving a slobbery kiss with his tongue going in her mouth. Good read.
You think it would have turned out better if he had sprung it on her in the actual performance? if that's how she was going to react, then clearly the rehearsal was a good idea.
11-16-2017 , 08:10 PM
If I wanted to stick my tongue in the mouth of a woman that's way out of my league that seems hesitant to kiss at all I think I would discuss the mechanics of the kiss with her first. I'd also discuss it with my wife (surely Franken did that at least..why wouldn't he).
11-16-2017 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by NickMPK
You think it would have turned out better if he had sprung it on her in the actual performance? if that's how she was going to react, then clearly the rehearsal was a good idea.
You owned me, well played sir. Troll confirmed
11-16-2017 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by NickMPK
But I imagine that's because Franken thought it would be funnier that way, not because he was trying to make some sort of move on her.
Yeah, any guy would totally only shove his tongue in an 11/10 hottie's mouth because it's funny.
11-16-2017 , 08:19 PM
The real issue with coming out 10 years after the fact is that the reality will absolutely be skewed by that point. It seems like they both remember the events differently, and they are likely both telling the truth on that. You can look into how reliable eye witness testimony is from people who saw something 10 minutes before, an hour before, a couple weeks before, etc etc. Its not reliable under any time frame. People run events through their minds and a small detail changes every time.

Did he relentlessly pressure her into rehearsing the scene? It is certainly possible, but its just as likely that is the scenario she has ran through her head to justify her part in allowing it to happen. And I understand a lot of people wont like that take, but that is reality.
11-16-2017 , 08:21 PM
the fact he wrote the scene is all i need to know
11-16-2017 , 08:23 PM
Actors kiss people they don't actually want to kiss all the time as part of their job. They are being professionals, and playing a character. Maybe it would be reasonable to assume the Tweeden, as a model and not a professional comedic actress, was not as open to this sort of thing as the people Franken was used to writing for on SNL. But Franken still asked her whether the kiss was OK and she said yes. There was obviously some miscommunication, but I don't necessarily see any ill intent here.
11-16-2017 , 08:23 PM
Is there anybody left in Hollywood/media who wasn’t sexually assaulted at some point in their life?
11-16-2017 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by coordi
The real issue with coming out 10 years after the fact is that the reality will absolutely be skewed by that point. It seems like they both remember the events differently, and they are likely both telling the truth on that. You can look into how reliable eye witness testimony is from people who saw something 10 minutes before, an hour before, a couple weeks before, etc etc. Its not reliable under any time frame. People run events through their minds and a small detail changes every time.

Did he relentlessly pressure her into rehearsing the scene? It is certainly possible, but its just as likely that is the scenario she has ran through her head to justify her part in allowing it to happen. And I understand a lot of people wont like that take, but that is reality.
That's what's so great about the existence of the picture from the same time period, which exposes Franken for the hypocrite he is.
11-16-2017 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Frenbar
That's what's so great about the existence of the picture from the same time period, which exposes Franken for the hypocrite he is.
I can't actually see any contact there. Its definitely a "creep" move, but not "groping" as she claimed.

Its certainly possible he completely groped the **** out of her before/after the picture and just assumed no one would tell her. That isn't the story that either of them are telling though.
11-16-2017 , 10:41 PM
When people whom are the victim of sexual abuse by "men in power" stop putting their own personal careers ahead of future unsuspecting rape victims this issue will stop. Why no apology to the next woman this guy gropes or kisses without warning etc.

What really irks me the most about this is why haven't any of these celebrities who are the victim of abuse start reaching out to the thousands of homeless girls who came to gamble California and lost... and ask them their stories and maybe set up a fund for them... because they got f'd twice over. The Celeb just got it once and kept silent and stacked money.

I know that seems harsh... and I don't mean every celebrity whom makes accusations is in that brush but far too many have done nothing (up until now) to stop this terrible behaviour of "men in power"
11-16-2017 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by NickMPK
Right, but Tweeden -did- give her consent to the kiss. She was taken aback by how slobbery it was. But I imagine that's because Franken thought it would be funnier that way, not because he was trying to make some sort of move on her.
If that were the case he would have saved it for the show and not rehearsal. Chris Farley famously saved a gag for showtime, spitting water all over his female castmates.
11-16-2017 , 10:53 PM
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