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Old 06-15-2017, 06:22 AM   #201
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Re: Five reasons to not play on Party Poker

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The hate is ridic
Yes the rakeback/points thing was handled poor and "no monetary value" is really, really poor reply.

All u guys who are so mad, what poker site/s in 2017 do you actually like/don't have something to complain about??

So, because she normally does a pretty good job, we should just ignore it when she lies to us?

FWIW, she still hasn't answered the question: Why weren't the points converted to cash when they had value? Telling us they had no value on the day of the change doesn't answer the question. It would be better to just admit it was a money grab. I think it makes people more angry being lied to than if we're told the truth.
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Old 06-15-2017, 09:00 AM   #202
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I don't see the issue with the points situation. All these types of promotions in all walks of life (air miles, loyalty cards, vouchers) are a way to set different price points. People who are price motivated can get the cheaper deal and are subsidised by those not motivated enough to follow instructions to obtain the cheaper price. If Party factored in that 100% of points would be claimed then those who did cash them in would have probably got a lower rate than they did.

As poker players view it as a way to get an edge on the field by being motivated to keep on top of ****.
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Old 06-15-2017, 09:56 AM   #203
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Re: Five reasons to not play on Party Poker

I made an account at party yesterday, with the idea of playing tourneys. Wasnt looking too impressive, so I stick to 888 for a little time longer.

Thats not all the reason, but after I tested play money (had no deposit), in 5 minutes these happened:
-table doesnt load; some bug
-cant resize the table (a big thing for me and I dont play full screen)
-i get disconnected
-another table (likely the bugged one) pops (up) all by itself and I am there

I have also heard of action bugs like autofolding and more. Plus I have read they take heavy regs money if they suspect him to be a bot.

But I will think about full sceen tourney play at a later time, there not being all that many options if you dont like waiting.

Gibraltar, that rates to mean taxes when the UK is out of the EU or so (it that is or will be SO).
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:03 AM   #204
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Re: Five reasons to not play on Party Poker

I expect they'll get a license in Malta if they don't already have one and move clients across to it before that happens. I wouldn't make that a basis to decide on a site now two years aheead of time.
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Old 06-15-2017, 05:16 PM   #205
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Welcome bonus is released in 10% increments after every $300 raked
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Old 06-16-2017, 01:58 AM   #206
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Re: Five reasons to not play on Party Poker

why is everyone saying unibet is growing when most of its traffic is NL 4 lol.......
stay away from unibet, unless you wanna pay 11bb / 100 in rake @ midstakes and reg battle allday
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Old 06-16-2017, 02:04 AM   #207
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Sure I will share the feedback
Not going happen though - no one else wants to manage these threads, you are stuck with me




Thanks - I think....




You cant trade it for cash when we have no store to trade points in... or MTTs in which you can use them
Maybe I phrased it incorrectly - they have no monetary value post loyalty changes





Are you referring to Patrick? I am not an ambassador

I am not in Vegas as I have personal commitments.. happy to discuss face to face at an event later in the year
How about the Caribbean? Sochi?

The Caribbean would be nice. Are you asking me on a date?
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Old 06-16-2017, 02:05 AM   #208
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To be fair, this is how corporations generally communicate with their customers and maybe normal gambling customers accept it.
I can't think of any corporations that steal from customers. Banks don't do that.
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Old 06-16-2017, 03:11 AM   #209
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The Caribbean would be nice. Are you asking me on a date?
Yes - you can have an evening in my company and my personal attention should you attend the CPP event
We can discuss your feedback and put the world to right
I shall look forward to it
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Old 06-16-2017, 09:52 AM   #210
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Re: Five reasons to not play on Party Poker

Party rep , i think im talking on behalf of all the regs that want to move their action to partypoker ... can you guys please return the hh's on regular tables to normal ? , people are buying software that costs 100usd/month to play @ partypoker anyways so this measure of hidden screennames on the hh's accomplish nothing , it just creates an extra 100$ rake for all the regulars who don't want to be in a big disavantage against 90% of regs or more that are using this software at this very moment and you guys know it.

can you please talk to your superiors about this ? and come back with an answer?
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Old 06-16-2017, 10:08 AM   #211
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Party rep , i think im talking on behalf of all the regs that want to move their action to partypoker ... can you guys please return the hh's on regular tables to normal ? , people are buying software that costs 100usd/month to play @ partypoker anyways so this measure of hidden screennames on the hh's accomplish nothing , it just creates an extra 100$ rake for all the regulars who don't want to be in a big disavantage against 90% of regs or more that are using this software at this very moment and you guys know it.

can you please talk to your superiors about this ? and come back with an answer?
+1M

Or at least allow screenname changes. Current situation is ridicilous and only winners are cheaters.
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Old 06-16-2017, 10:17 AM   #212
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Is Patrick's horses playing on PP?
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Old 06-16-2017, 10:18 AM   #213
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Yes - you can have an evening in my company and my personal attention should you attend the CPP event
We can discuss your feedback and put the world to right
I shall look forward to it
A whole evening? Now your pushing it. I don't think Mr Colette would like that and I take enough bad beatings on Party Poker online, I don't want another one at the beach... but I suppose if you're working we can arrange something.
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Old 06-16-2017, 10:25 AM   #214
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Party rep , i think im talking on behalf of all the regs that want to move their action to partypoker ... can you guys please return the hh's on regular tables to normal ? , people are buying software that costs 100usd/month to play @ partypoker anyways so this measure of hidden screennames on the hh's accomplish nothing , it just creates an extra 100$ rake for all the regulars who don't want to be in a big disavantage against 90% of regs or more that are using this software at this very moment and you guys know it.

can you please talk to your superiors about this ? and come back with an answer?
Spot on. New system only benefits those prepared to cheat. Please revert it back to the way it was.
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Old 06-16-2017, 10:27 AM   #215
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Re: Five reasons to not play on Party Poker

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Party rep , i think im talking on behalf of all the regs that want to move their action to partypoker ... can you guys please return the hh's on regular tables to normal ? , people are buying software that costs 100usd/month to play @ partypoker anyways so this measure of hidden screennames on the hh's accomplish nothing , it just creates an extra 100$ rake for all the regulars who don't want to be in a big disavantage against 90% of regs or more that are using this software at this very moment and you guys know it.

can you please talk to your superiors about this ? and come back with an answer?
hey can you explain in more detail about reg tables with the software for a 100 bucks just moved to pp and not aware of this?

what does the software do?

cheers
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Old 06-16-2017, 10:30 AM   #216
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hey can you explain in more detail about reg tables with the software for a 100 bucks just moved to pp and not aware of this?

what does the software do?

cheers
Are you from party poker security
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Old 06-16-2017, 10:37 AM   #217
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Are you from party poker security
Guessing you are referring to this thread https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...-view-1474198/
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Old 06-16-2017, 10:50 AM   #218
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Re: Five reasons to not play on Party Poker

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hey can you explain in more detail about reg tables with the software for a 100 bucks just moved to pp and not aware of this?

what does the software do?

cheers
i don't play at partypoker at the moment , im a full time stars reg , i think all regs that are involved in poker community knew about this software a long time ago , but lately someone offered me the software and i believe that someone offered the same software to many regs.

the software makes hh's readable for pt4 and hem2 so you can have a working hud like on pokerstars for example
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Old 06-16-2017, 02:08 PM   #219
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Re: Five reasons to not play on Party Poker

Party are doing a lot right but they still do some dishonest stuff.

There is a UK staking company called Bankroll Supply.

They have a relationship with Party to put in players in certain sats/tournies to ensure that they run/get the numbers to meet the GTDs.

For this they get enchanced RB and special treatment. For example they can convert tickets into actual cash, which Party do not allow for anyone else.

If you are playing the 22/44 sats then you will be sitting with multiple people backed by BRS. they aren't hard to spot, most of them are UK based and the vast majority of them are just massive fish. they tend to only play the sats/the multiphase tournies and DTD sats too.

Unlike other staking companies, where their aim to to train the players to be the best they can be, BRS don't care that most of their stable is average. it is a numbers game to them hence why the majority of them are only allowed to play these low variance/high volume tournies. A lot of them are on government benefits and they are happy to grind all day for less than minimum wage.

They collude when its on the bubble of the sats too. i mean you cant prove it because there is sat strategy but you see the same names raise/folding or giving walks or folding the BB to 2bb jams. this is of course inevitable when you have 20/30 runner fields and 10 are BRS players. The mega sats are ok still but you want to avoid the smaller ones that run in the day.

Dusk Til Dawn have had a very long relationship with BRS. Whenever an event is looking like overlaying, suddenly a load of busto players turn up to late reg. About a year/18 months ago I was playing an event at DTD where you could buy in direct to day 2 for £2k. They were looking like having a big miss with regards to the guarantee. I was sat down and playing, and suddenly a guy I am friendly with takes the empty seat next to me. He has just ‘bought in’. However 2 days before this same guy borrowed £20 off me for petrol to get home. I haven’t played an event at DTD since. Honest players who pay rake and multiple entries, and any time the overlay looks like its gonna be big the same old punters are put in by BRS for a massively reduced fee.

In contrast Patrick Leonard's stable has a very different approach where if the field sizes are small then the horses don't play, or they keep it to a fair percentage of the field, so that these conflicts don't come up. However, iIt does worry me that they may be sharing hand histories and it would be nice if Patrick could be transparent about this.
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Old 06-16-2017, 03:39 PM   #220
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Did you join just to make that comment?
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Old 06-16-2017, 03:58 PM   #221
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Yes.

But its not exactly a secret as to how BRS operates. I last played Party for some sats for the Millions and they were everywhere. I don't play for a living anymore anyway, only live cash in London at weekends, and still hear all kinds of stories about that stupid bowl staking company. Maybe some other people will confirm what I have said.
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Old 06-16-2017, 04:16 PM   #222
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Party rep , i think im talking on behalf of all the regs that want to move their action to partypoker ... can you guys please return the hh's on regular tables to normal ? , people are buying software that costs 100usd/month to play @ partypoker anyways so this measure of hidden screennames on the hh's accomplish nothing , it just creates an extra 100$ rake for all the regulars who don't want to be in a big disavantage against 90% of regs or more that are using this software at this very moment and you guys know it.

can you please talk to your superiors about this ? and come back with an answer?
+1, please respond to this. It seems like everyone is using the software now. This situation is not sustainable. Either ban half the regs for cheating or enable HH's for everyone.
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Old 06-16-2017, 09:30 PM   #223
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Hey

About the stables and satalites etc. I don't allow any of my players to play satalites on any site as I believe higher ev for them to play normal tournaments, so definitely nothing sketchy going on there. Our guys don't even tell eachother their screen names most of the time unless they want to voluntarily.

I can't comment about bankroll supply, I've never met Paul, know Jimmy a little bit and seems like nice guy. In terms of their relationship with DTD can't comment at all on that, not because I don't want to/am not allowed to but because I literally have no idea about it.
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Old 06-16-2017, 10:03 PM   #224
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Party are doing a lot right but they still do some dishonest stuff.

There is a UK staking company called Bankroll Supply.

They have a relationship with Party to put in players in certain sats/tournies to ensure that they run/get the numbers to meet the GTDs.

For this they get enchanced RB and special treatment. For example they can convert tickets into actual cash, which Party do not allow for anyone else.

If you are playing the 22/44 sats then you will be sitting with multiple people backed by BRS. they aren't hard to spot, most of them are UK based and the vast majority of them are just massive fish. they tend to only play the sats/the multiphase tournies and DTD sats too.

Unlike other staking companies, where their aim to to train the players to be the best they can be, BRS don't care that most of their stable is average. it is a numbers game to them hence why the majority of them are only allowed to play these low variance/high volume tournies. A lot of them are on government benefits and they are happy to grind all day for less than minimum wage.

They collude when its on the bubble of the sats too. i mean you cant prove it because there is sat strategy but you see the same names raise/folding or giving walks or folding the BB to 2bb jams. this is of course inevitable when you have 20/30 runner fields and 10 are BRS players. The mega sats are ok still but you want to avoid the smaller ones that run in the day.

Dusk Til Dawn have had a very long relationship with BRS. Whenever an event is looking like overlaying, suddenly a load of busto players turn up to late reg. About a year/18 months ago I was playing an event at DTD where you could buy in direct to day 2 for £2k. They were looking like having a big miss with regards to the guarantee. I was sat down and playing, and suddenly a guy I am friendly with takes the empty seat next to me. He has just ‘bought in’. However 2 days before this same guy borrowed £20 off me for petrol to get home. I haven’t played an event at DTD since. Honest players who pay rake and multiple entries, and any time the overlay looks like its gonna be big the same old punters are put in by BRS for a massively reduced fee.

In contrast Patrick Leonard's stable has a very different approach where if the field sizes are small then the horses don't play, or they keep it to a fair percentage of the field, so that these conflicts don't come up. However, iIt does worry me that they may be sharing hand histories and it would be nice if Patrick could be transparent about this.
That's a hell of a 1st post. My instincts tell me there's some to a lot of truth to it. I would definitely like Party to explain this since once it's decided that overlay blocking for DTD events is ok... then why not any overlay on Party.


Just to confirm is this strictly for DTD sats? Online and/or Live event?
Are you saying that this happens in regular satellites on Party Poker for their MTT's?
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Old 06-16-2017, 10:37 PM   #225
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Hey

About the stables and satalites etc. I don't allow any of my players to play satalites on any site as I believe higher ev for them to play normal tournaments, so definitely nothing sketchy going on there. Our guys don't even tell eachother their screen names most of the time unless they want to voluntarily.

I can't comment about bankroll supply, I've never met Paul, know Jimmy a little bit and seems like nice guy. In terms of their relationship with DTD can't comment at all on that, not because I don't want to/am not allowed to but because I literally have no idea about it.

Welcome back! Glad you managed to randomly wonder into the the one square foot of road in Vegas that has internet connection to be able to respond to only this question.


Keeping the faith

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