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06-01-2017 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by rakemeplz
Well this would be terrible PR. Also would you be pulling people from other departments who have no idea what they're doing to help with the bot problem? Although I'd say party poker has a competency problem dealing with bots. They're banning innocent people, and bots people have discovered months ago and are commonly known simply continue playing.

PartyPoker has stolen people's bankrolls thinking that they're bots (probably falsely). This is a pretty huge deal.
In those threads (as i remember) the players got their money back and were banned for using forbidden software (cant remember the name).
And got unbanned shortly after.
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06-01-2017 , 07:26 PM
party just needs to fix the hh issue
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06-02-2017 , 02:27 AM
I like the new reward system idea, but I think Party really needs to show the players that this isn't just a money grab, and introduce a lower tier for casual players. Maybe do an additional tier of 10 points for 1.50 or something like that, but as it stands a whole chunk of players are going to get nothing every week, and I can't see rec players being alright with missing out on a reward week after week.
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06-02-2017 , 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Hood
One question to Patrick - would you consider pushing internally for a change on how player funds are protected? Under the UKGC's required rating system, partypoker declares itself as "basic". Some of your biggest competitors are either "medium" (Unibet, 888) or "high" (PokerStars).
huge +1

would also like to see action in these regards.
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06-02-2017 , 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Hood
Great to see Patrick and other partypoker representatives responding quite candidly in this thread.

One question to Patrick - would you consider pushing internally for a change on how player funds are protected? Under the UKGC's required rating system, partypoker declares itself as "basic". Some of your biggest competitors are either "medium" (Unibet, 888) or "high" (PokerStars).

As demonstrated by the current situation with PKR, "Basic" rating gives a player no direct legal recourse to get their money in the case of insolvency. In a liquiditation scenario, a player is basically ranked as a fairly low-priority creditor.

If you're not familiar with the PKR situation, you can read up on it here and my post this morning with links to yours (and your competitors') T&Cs.

You can read up on the UKGC's ratings system here.
I agree deeply on all of this - both that active engagement with players is outstanding, and that the security of player account balances is paramount.
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06-03-2017 , 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Hood
Great to see Patrick and other partypoker representatives responding quite candidly in this thread.

partypoker declares itself as "basic". Some of your biggest competitors are either "medium" (Unibet, 888) or "high" (PokerStars).
I had no idea about this, this is key information players should be aware of at the moment of putting money into the site. Thanks for the information.
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06-03-2017 , 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Josem
I agree deeply on all of this - both that active engagement with players is outstanding, and that the security of player account balances is paramount.
BUT THE Last year you worked for Pokerstars the player engangement was and continues to be pityful, terrible and non-existent. How cute
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06-03-2017 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Transcendence
I mean hating on Patrick is just ridiculous. He is the only site ambassador I have seen actually take an interest in representing our views. According to my friends who play on party regularly, he has helped orchestrate some great changes especially with regard to their mtt schedule. It's obvious for anyone to see their rise over the past year or so. I'm just bitter cos I can't play on party from India. But to call out pads as the new dnegs is so far off base I don't even know where to start. Dude is trying hard no doubt and has done way more already than most of these sponsored pros have ever done for us. I haven't seen any of these stars or 888 pros take the initiative that he has done to relay our views to their respective higher management. Or if they have, it's hasn't resulted in many changes.

Moving on, party's software has always been pretty terrible. I used to wonder why these sites generating millions $ of rake can't improve the absolute most important part of our playing experience. This goes right across the board, the software most of these sites use is atrocious. With the rake we generate, at least give us a decent platform to play on. Many say stars has such great software but I always found it dated and just not good enough compared to the standards one would expect in 2017. Even then, it's still better than the rest of the sites. I don't even wanna start on 888 or the joke software that ACR have somehow deemed good enough. Ridiculous that these sites don't realise how important it is to have impeccable software that lives up to today's standards. Or if they do realise it, they do fk all about it.

Back to party, I have full faith in John Duthie. He created the sickest live tour in history til it became the stars championship. EPT was the highest quality, most prestigious and well run tour i have ever witnessed in poker. They need to address all of the issues raised in this thread but we should give them time to do that. Their entire online and live revamp only recently began and fixing everything will take time. We don't want to burn bridges with the people literally trying to improve our playing experience by vilifying them in this manner. Seems so counter productive when we can have candid discussion about it and actually see many changes as time progresses.

With all that being said, I definitely want to see the bot situation addressed. That's something that should be of utmost priority to the integrity of your site and it's just not acceptable.


If Patrick really wants to represent the players how about returnkng some or all of be money these crooks stole from players accounts. No matter how many new people want to move forward in a positive direction there cleary are crooks and thoefs left here and it only takes one to ruin reputations
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06-07-2017 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mixgrill
I normally wouldn't start a thread in anger, but Party Poker has really taken it too far.
Here's why we shouldn't play on this horrible site anymore.

1. They allow cheating

A whilo ago, I was open sitting an anonymous table, and a well known high stakes player scripted and sat on my direct left.
The table breaks, I open a new one and he sits again within a tenth of a second. This went on for another four or five times.
I open support and tell him to watch the table. I re seat, and this guy instantly scripts me again. The support member confirms that this is blatant cheating and it will be investigated and they would contact me about the situation.
The scripter never received any punishment, and I was never contacted either.
I also sent them a list of offenders, which they said will be investigated. They're all still around.

The rules clearly state you can't use a script, yet they didn't do anything about it.


2. Changing the rake back system and expiring old points

I had over 21.000 points on Party Poker. I asked a support member if they would ever expire, and he told me that I can convert them whenever I want.
Nobody ever informed me about this change. I assume most recreationals had no idea either.
And now, my money is gone.


3. Software bugs

There's a bug where the buttons in the software chance.
For instance, when you raise, it calls and when you call, it folds. I have had this bug at least 10 times, and it has cost me comfortably over 2.500 dollar.
Not to mention the money I could have won when I had a good hand, or the EV I had on the table that I had to leave.
Folded a set of tens in a 1k 3bet pot on T92r cost me 450 dollars, but way more in reality.

I told support about this a couple of times. They said they would review it, and I never even got answer.
I'm currently in touch with the 2+2 party support staff, so I hope they will at least respond to me and reimburse me.


4. No reimbursement for disconnects on their end

I played a session across three sites, and Party went down. I was still able to play on the other sites, and browse the internet. I asked another player at the table and he had had the same problem.
Of course, support says they will have their team look into it, and I never get an email response. But I will get spammed with random promotions all the time.


5. Support staff disconnects when they feel like it

When I use the live chat function when there is an issue, often times they will disconnect on me in the middle of the conversation. I will have to open a new chat and tell the whole story again, only for them to leave again.

We simply want a fair opportunity to play poker, without being cheated on or stolen from.


Party Poker is a shady, greedy and dishonest poker site that condones cheating, doesn't give a damn about its customers and outright takes their money
We should boycott it until they




own up their mistakes and start treating their customers fairly.



The disconnects with libe support hapoens to everyone. It's clear the workplace standards are neglected to an alarming degree

Didnyou receive any reimbursement for your 21000 points? Can you imagine how many others had money taken, most unkowingly. This OS stealing. Companoes use this money towards their overall evaluations for comlany value. Pokerstars used theirs last year in valuing their company. Those types of things are very imlortant when determning value. This is wrong.
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06-08-2017 , 04:00 AM
I've read the remainder of this thread. Disappointing to see that John Duthie, Patrick Leonard and Party Rep have all come and gone and STILL haven't answered the following question...

Instead of stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars in unclaimed rakeback, why weren't the points automatically converted to money?
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06-08-2017 , 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by GazzyB123
I've read the remainder of this thread. Disappointing to see that John Duthie, Patrick Leonard and Party Rep have all come and gone and STILL haven't answered the following question...

Instead of stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars in unclaimed rakeback, why weren't the points automatically converted to money?
Sorry, have been in Vegas with poor internet. The store during powerfest gave very high returns (far superior to previous returns) as a huge sale. This allowed the players on the site to play for huge prizepools every single day. If the rule was that "if you don't spend your points you can just cash them in whenever" people wouldn't have done it and thus the series would naturally have to be smaller. Our records show that partcipation from players with loyalty points was extremely high and that the transition from the old loyalty system into what we think is the best loyalty system in the industry was both 1) smooth and 2) dually successful with the last powerfest.
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06-08-2017 , 06:50 AM
Hi all,

As far as being called party's "dnegs" or giving me stick thst way, when I'm introduced to a new person in the company, the first line is "he likes to moan but his heart is in the right place" everything regarding improvement of the site I do is for the players and I think we've come a long way so far, but have 10x that distance to go. I truly believe I will have a big impact on making the best poker site in the world for the players, it can't be done overnight though. I'll try to address a few of the posts, the thread is quite large now though and on phone, so apologies in advance for any quoting disasters/grammatical errors!

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Originally Posted by LektorAJ
Patrick,

Does your stable have a HUD that works on Party?
What do you mean? As in does party make it possible for people I stake to be able to use a HUD and nobody else? I mean really? Come on dude. Quick research would show that bitB staking is only for MTTs anyway, but such thoughts are very far from reality. You think with all the software improvements we NEED to do we would put show X people anonymous people's names?!

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Originally Posted by *CHOMP
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Can you explain how the standards actually dropped to the degree they did and how exactly you plan on doing all these wonderful things? How exactly donyou plan on improving customer support? Why is it so bad? Is it a matter of internal training? Poor management? Staffing numbers? Poor infrastructure?
How will bot detection and collusion detrction improve? Why has it been so bad?
I can't comment what happened years before I joined the company no. Yes customer support will improve by adding additional resources and expertise to the department. There is a new system and standards approach/procedures etc being put in place. Not that I'm involved in or hands on, but I know for 100% sure of great progression there.

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Originally Posted by Hood
Great to see Patrick and other partypoker representatives responding quite candidly in this thread.

One question to Patrick - would you consider pushing internally for a change on how player funds are protected? Under the UKGC's required rating system, partypoker declares itself as "basic". Some of your biggest competitors are either "medium" (Unibet, 888) or "high" (PokerStars).

As demonstrated by the current situation with PKR, "Basic" rating gives a player no direct legal recourse to get their money in the case of insolvency. In a liquiditation scenario, a player is basically ranked as a fairly low-priority creditor.

If you're not familiar with the PKR situation, you can read up on it here and my post this morning with links to yours (and your competitors') T&Cs.

You can read up on the UKGC's ratings system here.
I saw this Previously too and don't know 100% what it means. I'll be sure to raise it with the appropriate people and find out. Agree that it's important.

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Originally Posted by Tilltard
I like the new reward system idea, but I think Party really needs to show the players that this isn't just a money grab, and introduce a lower tier for casual players. Maybe do an additional tier of 10 points for 1.50 or something like that, but as it stands a whole chunk of players are going to get nothing every week, and I can't see rec players being alright with missing out on a reward week after week.
This is very wrong and a huge misconception that people have about the loyalty system. We give away a lot to micro stakes players, the way it's structured is micro stakes players probably get 100% if not 209% rakeback just through "small" promotions.
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06-08-2017 , 06:59 AM
I've said this a lot of times, but inactive fees from dormant accounts I don't see as an issue. If you are a returning player you get the fees back. There are just a lot of accounts with say $0.05 that will never be spent or the account logged in once and then lost and then didn't come back that effects a lot of back end stuff.

If you're a returning player of course your fees will be returned. That was one of the main things I wanted to change when I joined last year, as well as removing skrill fees etc.

We really aren't trying to **** people over with small things like that. We're very, very happy to give back a lot to all players. We don't want to nick $0.05 here and $0.05 there, we've ran tournaments with gigantic overlays, we have a daily leaderboard giving 5 figures away every day during summer, we have new loyalty system where we give away more and more money than ever before. There really is not at all a consideration of trying to act unethically or take money from players on the sly etc.

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Originally Posted by Blert
I stopped playing on there when this happened to me:


11. INACTIVE ACCOUNT FEES AND ABANDONMENT OF ACCOUNTS

11.1. If You do not access Your Account by 'logging on' to Your Account using Your Account name and password and either (i) place a cash wager or bet via the Facilities, or (ii) enter a tournament with a cash entry fee via the Gaming Facilities, or (iii) play a raked hand via the Gaming Facilities, or (iv) make a deposit as applicable, for any consecutive period of 180 days, then after those 180 days (the 'Grace Period') Your Account (and any related account with any ESP) will be deemed 'Inactive'.

11.2. Once Your Account has been deemed Inactive We will be entitled to charge You an administrative fee (the 'Inactive Account Fee'). We may deduct an amount up to the Inactive Account Fee amount from Your Account Balance on the day following the end of the Grace Period and then every thirty (30) days thereafter in accordance with the Inactive Account Fee Schedule.


Inactive fee €5.00 EUR*

Note: All fees and charges are subject to change from time to time.

As set out in Clause 11 (Inactive Account Fees) of the Terms and Conditions of Use, the Inactive Account Fee is a monthly administrative charge that is deducted from your account balance if your account is inactive for more than 180 days.

The Inactive Account Fee will be deducted from your account balance on the day following the (end of the) 180-day grace period (i.e., day 181) and then every thirty (30) days thereafter if your account remains inactive.

For example: If your account is inactive for seven (7) months, then you will have to pay a €5.00 EUR* charge at the end of the 180-day grace period (day 181) and then every thirty (30) days thereafter if your account remains inactive.

The Inactive Account Fee will automatically be deducted from your account balance by us on the day following the end of the 180-day grace period (day 181) and then every thirty (30) days thereafter (provided your account remains inactive).

If your account balance is zero and there is no money in your account then no deduction will be made.



You are sat on all the unplayed money getting interest anyway, just not sure how this 'administrative fee' is justified
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06-08-2017 , 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Coolstorybro.
A while back he was interviewing for his staking company, he offered me an interview after I applied (I was out of work at the time), I got up early on the Monday ready for the interview and heard nothing from him, literally never heard a thing after he told me my interview was at 9am or whatever despite me contacting him numerous times. I then read he wanted to be the most professional stable out there and just laughed to myself.

It's all well and good him coming on here and telling us Party employees agree they're not the finished article but no ****, wouldn't all employees of all non-Stars sites say the same about their site?
99% sure this isn't true. We have a guy working full time on the application side of the company (I'm not involved in it at all) feel free to email bitBstaking@gmail.com if we are wrong will send $500 to your Party Account in the morning, if we weren't wrong you play the uppercut every day for the next 2 weeks?
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06-08-2017 , 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
Sorry, have been in Vegas with poor internet. The store during powerfest gave very high returns (far superior to previous returns) as a huge sale. This allowed the players on the site to play for huge prizepools every single day. If the rule was that "if you don't spend your points you can just cash them in whenever" people wouldn't have done it and thus the series would naturally have to be smaller. Our records show that partcipation from players with loyalty points was extremely high and that the transition from the old loyalty system into what we think is the best loyalty system in the industry was both 1) smooth and 2) dually successful with the last powerfest.
So, Pads, can you actually answer the question this time..... Why weren't points converted?
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06-08-2017 , 08:18 AM
Sounds to me like they stole the points (cash) from the players to fund a marketing opportunity.
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06-08-2017 , 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
If you are a returning player you get the fees back.
could you use same logic to points? will you credit back points or their value to returning player?
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06-08-2017 , 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
What do you mean? As in does party make it possible for people I stake to be able to use a HUD and nobody else? I mean really? Come on dude. Quick research would show that bitB staking is only for MTTs anyway, but such thoughts are very far from reality.
So to be clear. You advise Party. You run an MTT stable. HUDs work for MTTs but not cash?

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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
You think with all the software improvements we NEED to do we would put show X people anonymous people's names?!
I haven't played there.

I play at a site where the software has quick seat, a fold button, a check/call button, a bet/raise button and a bet slider/place to type the bet sizes - those are the things you need. If you still don't have those things then work on them, after that you work on making it a fair game - which includes throwing a spanner into the works of third party software.

Are you seriously fine with one half of everyone's login/password combo being openly displayed at the table? Login name and screenname should clearly be two different things. Once you do that there is no reason to stop people editing their screenname based on their mood or whatever, just as they do with their avatar.
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06-08-2017 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by LektorAJ
So to be clear. You advise Party. You run an MTT stable. HUDs work for MTTs but not cash?



I haven't played there.

I play at a site where the software has quick seat, a fold button, a check/call button, a bet/raise button and a bet slider/place to type the bet sizes - those are the things you need. If you still don't have those things then work on them, after that you work on making it a fair game - which includes throwing a spanner into the works of third party software.

Are you seriously fine with one half of everyone's login/password combo being openly displayed at the table? Login name and screenname should clearly be two different things. Once you do that there is no reason to stop people editing their screenname based on their mood or whatever, just as they do with their avatar.
It would take about 2 minutes research to find out huds work for mtts/sngs only on party.
Another minute of research if you wanted to clear up what kind kind of games Pads stakes for if you were not sure.

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06-08-2017 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by buffyslayer1
It would take about 2 minutes research to find out huds work for mtts/sngs only on party.
Another minute of research if you wanted to clear up what kind kind of games Pads stakes for if you were not sure.

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I think they work on some cash games as well (or at least they did recently)
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06-08-2017 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by LektorAJ
Are you seriously fine with one half of everyone's login/password combo being openly displayed at the table? Login name and screenname should clearly be two different things. Once you do that there is no reason to stop people editing their screenname based on their mood or whatever, just as they do with their avatar.
You're wrong about this entirely. 6 months back or so everyone on party had the option to change their screen name to something different. If you haven't done it yet you should still have the option. Going back years my SN was different from my login name as you could change your SN every 6 months i believe.

I do agree better account security is essential RSA or google authenticator something along those lines should really be implemented asap.
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06-08-2017 , 01:43 PM
Once again the question has been dodged! Unreal!

The more things change, the more they stay the same...
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06-08-2017 , 03:09 PM
I guess you'll never hear the honest answer (which is "easy money, what else") from them.
Everyone knows they ****ed up, so they should just admit their wrongdoing instead of inventing ridiculous explanations for it.
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06-08-2017 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by U shove i call
You're wrong about this entirely. 6 months back or so everyone on party had the option to change their screen name to something different.
It's somewhat cryptic, but I understand

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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
You think with all the software improvements we NEED to do we would put show X people anonymous people's names?!
as meaning it would be a big programming job to let people change their screennames periodically so "unfortunately" we have to keep letting stables and HH sharers run their HUDs.

Now we hear discover the functionality has already been developed and basically just needs to be turned on.
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06-08-2017 , 04:01 PM
I swear one time there were taken dollars out of my account. Like someone got in and chipped dollars from accounts or something. Anyone else?
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