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Old 05-29-2017, 06:07 PM   #101
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Re: Five reasons to not play on Party Poker

I mean hating on Patrick is just ridiculous. He is the only site ambassador I have seen actually take an interest in representing our views. According to my friends who play on party regularly, he has helped orchestrate some great changes especially with regard to their mtt schedule. It's obvious for anyone to see their rise over the past year or so. I'm just bitter cos I can't play on party from India. But to call out pads as the new dnegs is so far off base I don't even know where to start. Dude is trying hard no doubt and has done way more already than most of these sponsored pros have ever done for us. I haven't seen any of these stars or 888 pros take the initiative that he has done to relay our views to their respective higher management. Or if they have, it's hasn't resulted in many changes.

Moving on, party's software has always been pretty terrible. I used to wonder why these sites generating millions $ of rake can't improve the absolute most important part of our playing experience. This goes right across the board, the software most of these sites use is atrocious. With the rake we generate, at least give us a decent platform to play on. Many say stars has such great software but I always found it dated and just not good enough compared to the standards one would expect in 2017. Even then, it's still better than the rest of the sites. I don't even wanna start on 888 or the joke software that ACR have somehow deemed good enough. Ridiculous that these sites don't realise how important it is to have impeccable software that lives up to today's standards. Or if they do realise it, they do fk all about it.

Back to party, I have full faith in John Duthie. He created the sickest live tour in history til it became the stars championship. EPT was the highest quality, most prestigious and well run tour i have ever witnessed in poker. They need to address all of the issues raised in this thread but we should give them time to do that. Their entire online and live revamp only recently began and fixing everything will take time. We don't want to burn bridges with the people literally trying to improve our playing experience by vilifying them in this manner. Seems so counter productive when we can have candid discussion about it and actually see many changes as time progresses.

With all that being said, I definitely want to see the bot situation addressed. That's something that should be of utmost priority to the integrity of your site and it's just not acceptable.
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Old 05-29-2017, 06:27 PM   #102
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I mean hating on Patrick is just ridiculous. He is the only site ambassador I have seen actually take an interest in representing our views. According to my friends who play on party regularly, he has helped orchestrate some great changes especially with regard to their mtt schedule. It's obvious for anyone to see their rise over the past year or so. I'm just bitter cos I can't play on party from India. But to call out pads as the new dnegs is so far off base I don't even know where to start. Dude is trying hard no doubt and has done way more already than most of these sponsored pros have ever done for us. I haven't seen any of these stars or 888 pros take the initiative that he has done to relay our views to their respective higher management. Or if they have, it's hasn't resulted in many changes.

Moving on, party's software has always been pretty terrible. I used to wonder why these sites generating millions $ of rake can't improve the absolute most important part of our playing experience. This goes right across the board, the software most of these sites use is atrocious. With the rake we generate, at least give us a decent platform to play on. Many say stars has such great software but I always found it dated and just not good enough compared to the standards one would expect in 2017. Even then, it's still better than the rest of the sites. I don't even wanna start on 888 or the joke software that ACR have somehow deemed good enough. Ridiculous that these sites don't realise how important it is to have impeccable software that lives up to today's standards. Or if they do realise it, they do fk all about it.

Back to party, I have full faith in John Duthie. He created the sickest live tour in history til it became the stars championship. EPT was the highest quality, most prestigious and well run tour i have ever witnessed in poker. They need to address all of the issues raised in this thread but we should give them time to do that. Their entire online and live revamp only recently began and fixing everything will take time. We don't want to burn bridges with the people literally trying to improve our playing experience by vilifying them in this manner. Seems so counter productive when we can have candid discussion about it and actually see many changes as time progresses.

With all that being said, I definitely want to see the bot situation addressed. That's something that should be of utmost priority to the integrity of your site and it's just not acceptable.
Good post.
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Old 05-29-2017, 07:17 PM   #103
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Re: Five reasons to not play on Party Poker

From recent evidence it seems clear to me that party is genuinely trying to move the site in the right direction while stars under amaya is obv going to continue to get worse and worse.

It's great to see party reps actually posting in threads and showing willingness to engage with the community here which is a stark contrast to how stars does things these days.

I mean seriously lets not **** all over what is likely the best chance we have for another company to step up and compete with stars

So instead of making counterproductive threads like this would be much better if you had called the thread something like top 5 things party poker can improve. Lets try offering some constructive feedback as unlike stars the reps from party appear to be genuinely listening.
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Old 05-29-2017, 09:58 PM   #104
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Hi thanks for replying, is there a possibility where i could advice to add more mixed game mtt's?(omaha hi lo prefered )
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Old 05-30-2017, 01:49 AM   #105
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recreational player here...

still haven't deposited money on partypoker because of their software, still play on stars due to the software provided, could care less about the rake etc if i dont play as much


Fix your software and I CAN GUARANTEE millions of people like me will deposit money.


most recs dont know about bots or rakeback stuff, lettuce be real.
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Old 05-30-2017, 03:21 AM   #106
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I don't even play on Party but anyone can see they made a retarded move when it's comes to trust and reputation with their customers especially long time customers. It's dumb to to snag people's money just because they havn't checked their email in a while.
this.

i dont understand how super-inteligent people like pads dont see that trust and reputation is at the stake here. in fact moves like this "points grab" is exactly what brings party to its knees while ago and they still dont learn from it.
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Old 05-30-2017, 03:41 AM   #107
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after almost like 10 years, i logged into my old account. totally messed up, b/c no infos Name, Address, et cetera left. contacted support and begged to forward to security (since i don't use my old email AND live in another country) so i can sort things out.
always got 'auto reply' like "email not in system". my last attempt was an uppercase sentence, that they should read the damn email. obviously got similar reply ... won't bother any more, since i rarely play anyway ... but yeah, that's a leak.
Can you send myself a PM and I can try and help resolve


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Needs new style sleek software to compete with stars...
Rsa token a must for any amount of decent $ on the site.
Quicker response times from relevant departments.
All of this is needed if party want to compete with pokerstars
With regards to the RSA token - this will not return however we are looking at an alternative option for all - more news coming as soon as I get a time line from the tech teams!


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Would love to get the lowdown on why there are endemic problems with the staff at Party. Guy said years ago on twoplustwo they had to take unqualified staff on as Gibraltar is not exactly the most attractive location to work.
Btw I asked whether effective rakeback is capped at 40% but they don't know - there may be additional promos from time to time or there may not - who knows!
Gibraltar is full of gaming staff and gaming companies
Not sure where you get that info from however its one of the most attractive places for online gaming - low tax, good wages and sun, sea and sand!
Gaming staff here are some of the most experienced in the business due to the many opportunities and cost of living etc
And as an FYI - our customer service team is not in Gibraltar


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Why weren't emails sent out? I was never contacted in any way and the only way i found out was on 2p2 in the party thread in Internet Poker which isn't a thread I make a habit of visiting. Most of my friends who grind high volume on party had no idea it was coming too and a couple of them even lost their points.
Sure I am a fan of most of these changes but if the idea was to "GIVE TO PEOPLE" then why wouldn't you just convert the points to the new system?
The whole data base was sent an email 60 days before the planned changes
It was then followed up within 30 days announcing the store sale #
We also announced via the poker media, social media and multiple forums



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timex hinted on joeys podcast that new software is coming in next few months for partypoker so that's one more +++ for party getting to take a run at stars
As Patrick said - new software/improvements is now a #1 priority - the new lobby will be launched over the coming months
Alongside customer service improvements

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Old 05-30-2017, 04:01 AM   #108
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https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61...k-mtt-1614929/

They've known about this for a year and still haven't bothered to even look into it. They are 100% bots. There are infinite similar examples proving that they just don't give a **** about security. Sadly I think it might just be because they don't have competent personnel. They seem ridiculously understaffed judging by how they can't even respond to a simple email within a week. So who would have time to look into a Russian bot ring?

I wouldn't go to the lengths of boycotting Party though. Stars have done WAY more greedy **** lately and Party is certainly our biggest hope of healthy competition in the future. To me it seems like it's much more of an incompetence issue than Party actually being greedy ****s like Amaya. Party growing is in every poker player's best interests.

But yeah these threads definitely serve a purpose because maybe Mike Sexton or someone will actually read them and finally do something. Their current ambassadors, managers et al don't give a **** about any of these actually serious issues and only focus on boasting about how there's a new $5200 highroller that zomg reached its guarantee.

Again, you gotta fix the tower from the bottom up to stop it from falling.


I first responded to the thread highlighted above on the 15th June 2016
It was raised with the relevant teams and action taking - the majority of the suspect accounts were removed

I then again responded on the 7th May 2017 - again the relevant teams reviewed and have taken action

I have once again resent to the relevant team to ensure they investigate any further claims of suspect accounts

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Old 05-30-2017, 04:39 AM   #109
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Its all good and well giving party poker time. But in this time without new software rsa token customer support faster then people will continue to rake on pokerstars n party poker mtts will continue to overlay.

Its definitely small steps in the right direction. But time is money. Something that your company work for
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Old 05-30-2017, 05:03 AM   #110
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Hello all,



Can you send myself a PM and I can try and help resolve




With regards to the RSA token - this will not return however we are looking at an alternative option for all - more news coming as soon as I get a time line from the tech teams!




Gibraltar is full of gaming staff and gaming companies
Not sure where you get that info from however its one of the most attractive places for online gaming - low tax, good wages and sun, sea and sand!
Gaming staff here are some of the most experienced in the business due to the many opportunities and cost of living etc
And as an FYI - our customer service team is not in Gibraltar




The whole data base was sent an email 60 days before the planned changes
It was then followed up within 30 days announcing the store sale #
We also announced via the poker media, social media and multiple forums





As Patrick said - new software/improvements is now a #1 priority - the new lobby will be launched over the coming months
Alongside customer service improvements

Thanks

Colette

One day, one month, one years notice, if your "conviscating" players funds or liquidity equal too without some form of positive reinbursement, you're stealing. You could of easily converted points/coons or whatever to convert to your new system or handed out prorated monetary value


YOUR number one priority and every sites number ONE priority should be game integrity and safety. The fact you haphazardly look into bots is a big red flag. Either your detection systems are inferior or your staffing numbers and intelligence in preventing, detecting is low. Players shouldnt care more then you about protrcting games and sure as heck give he appearance they do. Cash games seemed littered with bots
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Old 05-30-2017, 08:29 AM   #111
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Patrick,

1) Could you explain why Party doesn't allow players to protect themselves against screen scraping HUDs by changing their screen names? Related to that, why you think it makes sense to publicly show half of the username/password combo at the table?

2) Does your stable have a HUD that works on Party?
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Old 05-30-2017, 09:38 AM   #112
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Patrick,

1) Could you explain why Party doesn't allow players to protect themselves against screen scraping HUDs by changing their screen names? Related to that, why you think it makes sense to publicly show half of the username/password combo at the table?

2) Does your stable have a HUD that works on Party?
Of course his stable has a HUD because miraculously MTTs are allowed normal HUD. This also proves it has nothing to do with the integrity of Party Poker. Either you allow 3rd Party software or you don't. Somehow you limit and let bot/cheaters run rampant on normal cash tables (I was the guy that posted about the HUD on Party the most obvious one that was and I believe is still offering his HUD yet Pleno will still come here pretending it is ok).
So basically you segregated the normal cash games and it is not even based on winnings because I am pretty sure MTT guys are winning more... I mean I can't be sure about Patrick involvement in the decision making but it does put him in a bad light.

The HUD fiasco on normal tables is such a ridiculous dishonesty and ****ty behaviour it is not even funny.
I mean I can understand sites going full anonymous, going the way of Unibet or Microgaming but making hand histories anonymous on only normal cash tables and keeping it for everyone else is just shaddy.

Especially with Party history of cheating people (segregation comes to mind) and now you have segregation again this time based on type of the game you play because unfortunately we don't have any cash game stable owner in the management who would take care of his and indircetly our bottom line too....

I mean either everyone is allowed to use unrestricted HM/PT or no one why only normal cash games should be limited.....
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Old 05-30-2017, 09:46 AM   #113
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Old 05-30-2017, 10:58 AM   #114
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Its all good and well giving party poker time. But in this time without new software rsa token customer support faster then people will continue to rake on pokerstars n party poker mtts will continue to overlay.

Its definitely small steps in the right direction. But time is money. Something that your company work for
I agree with some of your points but FYI FIVE PokerStars Sunday Majors overlayed last weekend including the Sunday Warm-Up, the Sunday Storm and the Sunday Million.

The grass is not always greener ... ...
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Old 05-30-2017, 11:06 AM   #115
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Of course his stable has a HUD because miraculously MTTs are allowed normal HUD. This also proves it has nothing to do with the integrity of Party Poker. Either you allow 3rd Party software or you don't. Somehow you limit and let bot/cheaters run rampant on normal cash tables (I was the guy that posted about the HUD on Party the most obvious one that was and I believe is still offering his HUD yet Pleno will still come here pretending it is ok).
So basically you segregated the normal cash games and it is not even based on winnings because I am pretty sure MTT guys are winning more... I mean I can't be sure about Patrick involvement in the decision making but it does put him in a bad light.

The HUD fiasco on normal tables is such a ridiculous dishonesty and ****ty behaviour it is not even funny.
I mean I can understand sites going full anonymous, going the way of Unibet or Microgaming but making hand histories anonymous on only normal cash tables and keeping it for everyone else is just shaddy.

Especially with Party history of cheating people (segregation comes to mind) and now you have segregation again this time based on type of the game you play because unfortunately we don't have any cash game stable owner in the management who would take care of his and indircetly our bottom line too....

I mean either everyone is allowed to use unrestricted HM/PT or no one why only normal cash games should be limited.....
I would assume that HUD's are limited/banned in cash games but allowed in MTT's due to the predatory nature of cash games.
It's not about who has won more money MTT v Cash but about the huge advantage that HUD's give in one format versus the marginal it gives in the other.
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I agree with some of your points but FYI FIVE PokerStars Sunday Majors overlayed last weekend including the Sunday Warm-Up, the Sunday Storm and the Sunday Million.

The grass is not always greener ... ...
When I played overlays were a good thing.
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Old 05-31-2017, 07:16 AM   #116
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Do us a favour guys and stop throwing mud for a few months. We're trying to address all these issues especially customer service and software issues and whilst really want and need constructive feedback, can do without the endless vilification. Just look at it like a restaurant under new management and come back and see us in a while; these complex issues aren't sorted overnight.
Pretty interesting statement from a guy who's happy to say negative things about his former employer publicly. Try not throwing stones for a while and then maybe you can make this request.

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Old 05-31-2017, 10:19 AM   #117
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Tons of them are playing right now, and have been playing for months and months with insane winrates. The evidence is all there and Party hasn't even bothered to look into it.
Post evidence?
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Old 05-31-2017, 02:15 PM   #118
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Haven't read thread but this is another reason. They may accuse you of being a bot, permaban your account, steal your account funds, and deny access to any reasoning as to why due to their own security/investigatve evidence being used against them in some way.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...olved-1657655/

Sorry if already posted/discussed.
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Old 05-31-2017, 03:38 PM   #119
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ya they locked his money for 4 months, with no comms on if he would get it back or not. and was a legit player. partypoker is so scary. was ****ing 15k too. like wot.
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Buuuuuut....eventually they "welcomed" him back so it was all good.
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Old 06-01-2017, 01:52 AM   #121
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I agree with some of your points here and suspect that any player who feels really hard done by would be listened to were they to contact support.
YES, they would. Two weeks later. And then another week later.


Clean up the bots on this site. If you need to close down to do it do it. The traffic is not high on your site, there is no reason for blatant bots to be allowed to continue to play ither then your security is unintelligent or your staffing nimbers are horrifically low, or of course he bots are raking a huge amount for you
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Hi everyone,

Patrick Leonard - Ambassador for Party Poker here. Will address all points from the thread. Just to be clear, we don't work like other companies, I don't have to send this through PR part of the company, to us, quick feedback and response is important.

Firstly, let me say that whilst the changes have been huge in the last 12 months since I joined the company, not one person in the company thinks we are close to the finished product. Everybody is on the same page, we have done really well increasing numbers, but as a site we are far from perfect yet, but every day we work very hard to make sure we can improve from yesterday, we are a proactive site that wants to improve and become the biggest poker site in the world again, but we are aware of how we perform at the moment.

First of all, let me describe the 10 key missions of the companies:

- Invest in software development to deliver an industry leading player experience
- Improve customer services and strive to resolve player issues in the same day
- Reward the loyalty of players who start games and keep the action going
- Look after smaller bankroll players with value added promotions
- Fight against the use of third party software that gives an unfair advantage
- Invest marketing budgets within the poker community
- Develop partypoker Live to become the largest live poker tour in the world
- Support partners and have their backs
- Only appoint management who get poker, who are trusted, and who actually care
- Hold hands up to the poker community when mistakes are made



I will now go into points raised in the thread, if I miss something, let me know and I'll address it, have nothing to hide or anything I want to dodge.


1. They allow cheating

That is simply not true. We have teams working on detecting bots and people using third party software and its strictly prohibited, if anything PP goes over the edge the other way to protect plays in games, restricting HUD's on cash game tables etc. There has been many serious cases that I have been personally involved and spent tens of hours on to help prevent any kind of cheating and we are committed to putting resources in to preventing this. I even posted it as one of my main company objectives:

Fight against the use of third party software that gives an unfair advantage

2. Changing the rake back system and expiring old points

We used every way of correspondence to ensure that people knew about this change. I was in at least 15 Skype groups that people were speaking about it and it seemed general consensus throughout the poker community. The idea behind the change was not to take from people but to GIVE TO PEOPLE. The shop had prices slashes dramatically, you could buy $1k tournament dollars for a little over 5k points etc, we slashed everything so that people would use points and play in out biggest ever series. I think last year it was roughly $5m gte? This year we had $20m guarantee in the series and after the push with the tickets we managed to amass over $27m in buy ins! I think the store change was a huge success and amazing offer to regular players to get crazy good deals whilst allowing recreational players to have a shot at huge buy ins. Moving forward, we have a lot more simplified system that benefits everybody.

3. Software bugs

You said that certain buttons make you call instead of fold or raise instead of call etc, I have never heard of this ever, nobody has ever brought this to my attention personally and myself and hundreds of players that I'm in contact with on a daily basis have never had this problem. I hate to sound negative, but I really suggest checking your system to see if there is some kind of software installed from some live trip like we saw previously at EPT stops, it sounds extremely strange to me.

4. No reimbursement for disconnects on their end

I know Colette personally does a great job digging into these cases and making sure players are well looked after but...

5. Support staff disconnects when they feel like it

I'm not saying this is true, but the support that we currently offer isn't at a higher enough standard or in line with our standard for other parts of our product. We want to be the best poker site in the world? Well its critical we have the best support team too. Days ago there were huge plans made and things sealed to ensure that in the short term this drastically improves. I think it will be a great improvement to the overall site.


Chuck Bass -

5) Their support is terrible. (see above)

6) Their attitude towards cheating.

Again, don't want to just say "see above" each time, but this really isn't true. I have sat on calls with "suspected" cheats personally, been involved in case reports, analysed statistics etc. Obviously we can't comment legally publicly, but it simply isn't true. You can ask limitless if you want, he sat in recently on a call with us as a translator for somebody when I was leading the call.

7) To a lesser extent, software.

Absolutely correct. Our software is not good enough. Overall, there are huge improvements to be made, they are being made. I was involved with the iPhone app, we saw this as a critical software implementation that needed to be implemented ASAP, but we wanted to make sure it was high quality. There was extensive feedback from my side and every suggestion was implemented to a higher standard than I could expect. Our iPhone app is now IMO the best in the business, and thats the standard that we need to set ourselves for everything else now.

Next software you can expect to improve is the lobby function. There are a dozen or so improvements that need to be made and are currently being beta tested and will be released in the short term. I'm confident that you will like them. We are also working on all other aspects, two days ago I got a screenshot of how the new table will look like during gameplay. HUGE improvement and its not the final product yet. But absolutely, the main two things we need to improve on in short and long term is support+software, but we know that and are working on daily basis to make sure that is done.

"But yeah these threads definitely serve a purpose because maybe Mike Sexton or someone will actually read them and finally do something. Their current ambassadors, managers et al don't give a **** about any of these actually serious issues and only focus on boasting about how there's a new $5200 highroller that zomg reached its guarantee."

Obviously very far from the truth and the work that goes on behind the scenes is actually really hard work and getting a $5200 high roller (I think you mean 25k?) to beat the equivalent of that running on stars does obviously still mean a lot and shows how the site has transformed in one year, but its also alongside recording breaking $11, $22, $55, $109 and $215 fields. Year on year we are the fastest growing poker site in the world, thats not because we have a $25k or a $5k tournament running.

Our live tournaments which DTD and their super hard working team deserve huge credit for, starts to give people confidence in the brand again, starts to allow red-regs (players who like to deposit and play on the weekend or at night and enjoy the competition but don't necessarily play to win or for a living) to trust the brand again, to trust that they will receive good tournaments and to trust that they will have a great playing experience. However, its our job as a company to make sure that its not only good prize pools, structures and schedules that attracts them, there needs to be good software, good support and many other small things that were previously neglected to HELP keep them coming back every week and wanting to play on the site.

If you ask any employee at Party Poker are they happy at how good the site is at the moment the answer is no. If its not no then management wouldn't accept that. The site is improved, the site is good relative to where it was, but relative to our expectations of ourselves and our pride about our product its not there yet. However, we will work each day (and usually night!) to ensure that one day, in the not so distant future we deliver the very best site possible for poker players... by poker players.

Keep the faith!
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Can you explain how the standards actually dropped to the degree they did and how exactly you plan on doing all these wonderful things? How exactly donyou plan on improving customer support? Why is it so bad? Is it a matter of internal training? Poor management? Staffing numbers? Poor infrastructure?
How will bot detection and collusion detrction improve? Why has it been so bad?
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Old 06-01-2017, 03:51 AM   #123
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I gotta say I actually found this quite funny. Having said that, what we're trying to do is make the live tournaments tons better than anything out there and also the online site. The latter takes a little bit longer as you can imagine. Stick with us guys and maybe a tad less hate?
John this is two plus two more so this is NVG patience is not a virtue and hate is high on people's must do.

To be fair to party they have been pretty transparent in a lot of their dealings unlike other big more corporate sites that just shovel poo down your throats whilst telling you it's caviar ( though might as well be the same thing IMO).

Go party go.

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Great to see Patrick and other partypoker representatives responding quite candidly in this thread.

One question to Patrick - would you consider pushing internally for a change on how player funds are protected? Under the UKGC's required rating system, partypoker declares itself as "basic". Some of your biggest competitors are either "medium" (Unibet, 888) or "high" (PokerStars).

As demonstrated by the current situation with PKR, "Basic" rating gives a player no direct legal recourse to get their money in the case of insolvency. In a liquiditation scenario, a player is basically ranked as a fairly low-priority creditor.

If you're not familiar with the PKR situation, you can read up on it here and my post this morning with links to yours (and your competitors') T&Cs.

You can read up on the UKGC's ratings system here.

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Old 06-01-2017, 12:05 PM   #125
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YES, they would. Two weeks later. And then another week later.


Clean up the bots on this site. If you need to close down to do it do it
. The traffic is not high on your site, there is no reason for blatant bots to be allowed to continue to play ither then your security is unintelligent or your staffing nimbers are horrifically low, or of course he bots are raking a huge amount for you
Well this would be terrible PR. Also would you be pulling people from other departments who have no idea what they're doing to help with the bot problem? Although I'd say party poker has a competency problem dealing with bots. They're banning innocent people, and bots people have discovered months ago and are commonly known simply continue playing.

PartyPoker has stolen people's bankrolls thinking that they're bots (probably falsely). This is a pretty huge deal.
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