Because otherwise they are committed to run tournaments at a particular price point forever, they would be unable to judge how much running satellites with overlay would cost without knowing what proportion of tickets would be end up being used. if they're never going to be used they'd like to show their investors they don't have the liability any more.

That said, 2 months would be a reasonable length of time before they expire. 7 days is way too short.

It depends if you want to grow poker or not. If you don't have to spend any money attracting people to poker, and only strive to convert existing players to your site, then your costs are significantly reduced.

The poker industry spends hundreds of million of dollars per year trying to get poker into the minds of non poker players. At the moment ~100% of that cost is being borne by one operator.

Poor Zynga

Whoa good point. I stand corrected.

Zynga could be kicking in about 0-20% of the total acquisition marketing spend, on the basis of their poker revenue being about 20% of PokerStars (c. 40m vs c. 200m per quarter).

Zynga still firmly in no. 2 spot in terms of poker gross revenue.

GVC/partypoker make about the same as Zynga, fwiw. But your point still stands.

Party Poker might have the most ******ed responsible gambling options I've ever seen. On Pokerstars or Bet 365 for example you can close/block different products, such as casino or sports, leaving just poker open.

On Party poker they offer service closure on Sports and Casino, whereby you can pick a timeframe (up to 6 months or whatever), but they allow you to reopen them at any time, even if you've selected 6 months. Seems pointless even allowing you to select a timeframe if this is the case.

Anyway, onto live chat, you'll always get more sense from a human, right?

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I have service closed sports betting and casino for your account. Do note that this closure can be lifted on your request

You I'm asking for it to be permanent closed please

You permanently*

Galin We do not offer permanent closure, Sir. Besides you would not be able to lift this closure on your end, only we would be able to, if you request it of us

You I don't want to be able to request it

You The whole point of excluding from a certain product is to not have that option

Galin Exclusion and closure are different, if you request a self-exclusion it cannot be for just one or two products

You Ok well let me ask you what the point of having closure of a product is if you can just reopen it at any time?

You That's not closure

Galin You cannot do it yourself in this case. Only we can. If you do not request it, it will not be reopened

You Of course I can do it myself - I simply go on live chat and say open it please

You and you do

You How is that in any way a preventative method?

Galin I mean you cannot do it on your end, without contacting us

Galin Service closure is not a preventive method, the preventive methods are cool-off and self-exclusion but they cannot be applied to separate products

You So what exactly is service closure?

You if it's not a preventative method

Galin It's to make things easier for players so that when they want to close/open a products they would be able to do it on their end and if it was done on our end, request us to do it for them

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Can't block Sports/casino then even though they have the ability to do it? Can reopen at any time. I'm actually surprised whichever regulatory body they're under allows this lack of responsible gambling.

Is there a 24 hour cooldown to reopen or simply you ask them and it's done?

Pokerstars is the nuts for RG controls, I'll give them that.

Gotta say I agree, Party's self exclusion methods are outdated and need a revamp ASAP.

Simply reopen.

I initially put a 6 month ban on casino/sports, tried to reopen them as a test to see they'd been blocked and it allowed me back on straight away. Seems completely pointless even having the option.

I suppose UK legislation allows them to do this.

If they're taking on the mantra of no huds and leveling the field ecology then they absolutely need to improve on their RG controls.

*Six reasons to not play on Party Poker

Regardless of whatever issues might be awaiting me, Poker Stars is making the shift to Party Poker seem real appealing these days. I had my Stars account randomly frozen and there's been zero ****ing response from customer service. What am I supposed to do? Trust that they won't do it again sometime down the road?

long time msnl regular here.


not feeling safe on party anymore. not a tiny bit.


all the little things you hear and read about party when you talk to people just add up:
from players being staked on the site by the owner, shady livepoker dealings, the whole pp live tournament $ thing, 80%++rakeback for certain players, botting, handconverters... you name it.. now they removed downloadable HH. thats a no-go. bye

just the opposite of what they promote it to be, not a fair environment!



edit:
id rather play on some chinese app, at least i get rewarded with soft games for the risk of being scammed there

Does anyone feel comfortable playing on party now? I tried playing there and i do not like the no hud thing because ppl say there are ppl using illegal huds etc.

People who hate the change say this, but there is zero evidence so far.
"For sure some russian programmer has this illegal HUD and people never landed on the moon also!"

What about the pictures and videos of people using huds on party after the update posted in both of the other big partypoker threads? (Also anyone who mentioned it to rob on twitter getting blocked) ? or are pictures and videos of people using huds on a site you "cannot use huds on" not evidence?

Just make it clear in an email you have a gambling problem and want it permanent, save the email. Lose your house, your shirt your kids. and then contact the gaming commission. Gambling regulators fined 888 poker 7.8 million euros for neglecting their responsible gaming obligations. Albeit there was a system/software problem that facilitated their neglect but be rest assured employees were well aware, hence the record setting fine.

got a message 2 times within a few weeks of getting a refund from confiscated funds of banned players. haven't seen the exact amount but I think not more then low 3 figures. wonder if that's for botting/collusion or using of HUD that players got banned ... or if it's a shady tactic move by party to appear to monitor the games ???
given all the new nicks can't recall if somebody suddenly stopped playing .

(plo midstakes btw )

anyone else also got refund

I got about $75

Been playing 1/2 and 2/5 NL on a very limited basis since withdrawing most of my roll cause of the "fairplay" fiasco .
... actually played .5/1 for a few sessions cause I nearly went busto
Recouped all my losses, but if real names become mandatory at 5/10 or lower , I'm for sure leaving.

(Real names now appear to be the only option at 10/25 and higher)

looks just like this, new form of rakeback for promo

The new PartyMeta is creating Mission rewards for tournaments which don't exist. Not sure if somebody brought this up already, but as a mission reward you are promised 2.20 / 5.50 tickets which turn out to be SNG tickets. The problem is that there are no 2.20 or 5.50 SNG's Tickets are literally useless

Edit: After contacting support they credited me with T$ though to be fair.

Main reason I don't play on party anymore... i have experienced this my self prety recently

update: just as I posted this I started a live support chat conversation and he gave me the buy in back as tourney dollars , but he did say out of goodwill and still refuses to acknowledge the problem was at their end.

Funnily enough now I got email from Party Poker, that if I am not happy with them I better close my account if so....

Then the weirdest lines came where they said that gaming is a form of entertainment and not a way to generate an income...

This is very weird....I don't even generate an income there, but I have been a winning player , but nothing substantial...I don't get why they suddenly tell me.

can you post this email? ty