PokerScout ranks them as follows:

PokerStars Global Shared Liquidity
IDN Poker
PokerStars Western/Southern Europe
888poker
PartyPoker


https://www.pokerscout.com/

(that's as of right now)

Have you heard anything?

Thanks for clearing this up. No more hate from me.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=1271

Here is the change I spoke about in here last week.

Cliffs:
"partypoker have agreed to make the change of not reducing, but completely removing the rake of the bounty side of PSKO's, meaning there is a 40-60% rake reduction on a huge amount of games on the site. They have agreed to do this for 6 months and if the players support them and people support the site that now wants to listen to its pros and make decisions that positively impacts pros rather than their own bottom line then I think this will not only be a permanent change, but it will allow us to continue making positive strides and changes in this industry."

There must be an optimal level of rake which maximizes profit, beyond which point it starts to decrease company profit, but before which point the company could make more profit.

It would be interesting to know what that maximum level of rake is. Similar to a laffer curve for taxation in economics, if anyone's familiar with that. I wonder how sensitive the poker ecosystem would be to increases in rake (not in terms of win rates, but in terms of volume put in by players and hence rake generated).

Just played cashgame the first after years at PartyPoker.

Cons: Replayer is a disgrace, positions are randomed, no names only "player 1" and so on. Really hard to figure out who is who. Sometimes replayer doesn´t work and just shows a blank table. Had to restart the software. Also lobby is buggy as hell. It shows several tables, I double click, but tables won´t open. Everything is very edgy and not really smooth.

Pros: Rakeback transparency. No cuts. And no freaking chests <3 Good action on the tables. Was surprised to see that many tables running.

So before cutting rake etc. Just improve the software god damn it!

Live support is still disconnecting frequently from customer chats. There is an issue, multiple issues everytime and the funny thing is when u start out the conversation by telling them you are recording this conversation and do not disconnect, they don’t!

I just spoke with a major UK site live support and had zero issues with them.

Were you nice and polite during those unrecorded conversations where they disconnected? Could it be possible that when you announce that you're recording, you're unconsciously on your best behavior?

Here's an experiment: Try recording without telling them, be polite throughout, and see if you can capture an example where they disconnect without any provocation. Then share it with us.

Just for clarification I understand cash games are anon, but does the HUD still work for a per table session ? Or is this not allowed to have on via PT4 ? Obv if a player leaves will it reset that players HUD stats ?

Sort of getting conflicting things on if PT4 hud is even allowed on Party? MTT's and SNG's are totally fine, no anon and hud allowed ?

It's allowed and it works. If a player leaves the table it does not reset the stats.

What? So the hud somehow knows and tracks who is who even when they are anon to us?

Or do you mean it doesn't reset the stats for the rest of the table

It doesn't reset for the rest of the table, correct. If player1 stands up and someone else takes his seat, HUD will just continue as if it's the same player.

Ohhhh I get it now. Makes sense

Partypoker officially has the worst customer support in the world.
10 days ago i contacted them because an unauthorized access to my account has taken place and all of my funds were obviously gambled away at HU tables, as my balance was showing "0" but my cashback points were at 12,5 instead of 0.
After i contacted the support, all they did was to make me confirm my identity and change my password and e-mail. They said they would contact me again withing 4 - 7 days, 10 days later still nothing happened.
I know there is no chance to retrieve my funds and i couldn´t care less about 400$, but still, this just goes to show how much of a scam this so called "support" is. They don´t give a single **** about collusion, botting or hacking on their platform and i don´t see much of a chance for change in near future.

From the official party thread.

Unsure why people are surprised at this - its well known the party lowstakes (and mid?) NL cash games are full of bots. AFAIK party doesn't seem esp. bothered, if you actually report bots they might get banned, but otherwise they seem to turn a blind eye.

Just keep that in mind when choosing to play cashgames at party currently.

Yeah I'm not surprised at all. Like you said it just shows how little party cares about the bot situation.

Any fastforward regs ever get a refund? Feels like half the pool are bots, mostly Germans.

I haven't.

Has anyone here received their cashback from this weekend already? It's been 72 hours and still haven't hit my account when usually they deposit your cashback during the first 3-4 hours.

Just curious but has party gotten better since this thread got created? Their software is at least a little bit better than previously.

I think Party are at least trying to improve. Rakeback, signing players and lower rake for tourneys etc. They seem to listen to players. But their bot detection is not the best and they have trouble attricting fish.

As for this aspect there is really no way of knowing as they never admitted anything so it"s hard to gauge the starting point.
As for the rest of the site it seems they are gaining some traction based on Pstars decline in poker.
Still I'm not impressed considering the money they've spent over the past few years. They should have surpassed Stars by this point.

How many PLO200 are running?

You really thought that?
PokerStars is burned in the minds and souls of poker players, you're gonna need a bit more than that to surpass them lol.