If you have any complaints about partypoker then go to the UKGC page and make it there.

You do not have to be British to lodge a complaint.

It took me about 5 minutes, and I did quite a lengthy email. I received an auto response last night and also a personal response this morning from a UKGC representative.

The situation with bots, leaderboards, stables etc are all unacceptable.

As I posted in the other thread, I don't like posting same message multi threads, but reporting bitB to gambling commission like this is extremely damaging and absolutely false and without any proof.

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I have commented a lot about bitB and partypoker. If you ask any player who has ever played for us there's never been any preferential treatment, if anything me being associated with bitB and Party makes bitB less money. There has never been any form of affiliation. If you think about 100+ spin players, bunch of cash players and over 100 MTT players all raking a lot of money sites pay very, very, very good money for this. We're talking $1m+ affiliation potential money, but I'm more than happy with the structure of partypoker loyalty system and I don't want to get extra $0.01 from partypoker. Of course I help players who have issues, but I also helped 500+ players not from bitB with personal issues with their accounts over the last year. I love helping everybody in the community.

In terms of integrity, cheating, I'm not sure what you're implying about what we could potentially be doing together. Seeing hole card? Super-using? These are very serious and slanderous accusations that I take extreme disgust to. Being involved with a site has nothing to do with ghosting or softplaying (two things we are the cleanest stable in the world at btw) but it has nothing to do with being associated to the site. The fact you are suggesting that there is something dodgy from partypoker offering bitB players makes me absolutely outraged.

In terms of partypoker offering more value to bitB players than others and it being a scheme by bitB to maximise value. Again, the additional value given in leader boards worth millions that is the main addition to the site in terms of value comes for completely different players than bitB players. Not 1 of our players ever actively plays for a leader board and I would bet a big part of my net worth every week at even odds that we would not come close to winning any leader board or extra incentive given to players. Of course bigger prizepools helps bitB players, but it also helps pocarr players, recreational players, everybody. Thats all I've done from day one is try and support the whole MTT player base for more tournaments, bigger tournaments, better structures, more time slots etc. It's sad having to defend myself on this thread that my players are not superusing etc. Very sad to see.

Will depart this thread now, but continue trying to do the best job possible for all players, hope to see you all at the tables and thanks for all the constructive posts, I will continue to work with advisory panel, Collete and all internal staff to make the site bigger and better on a daily basis.

Figures - he comes out of the woodwork when his stable is in trouble, ignores everything else.

Quite interesting that you respond with that kind of in depth post when all I said that I've asked the UKGC to look into the relationships between Party and various stables; I certainly made no accusations when it came to ghosting etc.

BRS is one that it is known that they get the most generous deals out there; this has been confirmed on here and to me privately.

My advice to everyone is to make a complaint to the UKGC if you are concerned about the stable situation on Party, as well as the bots etc. It will take a couple of minutes and if you are a player who plays on your own money and bankroll then I can't see why you wouldn't want it investigated.

The UKGC recently issued heavy fines when it came to affiliation and these relationships seem to go far beyond that.

You have not, and will not ever have any proof about anything at all regarding foul play and bitB with any site including partypoker.

In terms of why I respond now, I have reiterated many, many, many times about bitB involvement with partypoker and the extras (which is 0) we get from being "affiliated" with partypoker.

I would be a lot richer guy if I wasn't working with partypoker as an ambassador and instead of an affiliate, I work for helping others, not for my own financial interest. In terms of brs, I know nothing about how they work, what they do, who plays for them, all I can see is their coaching roster and website, so I won't comment about them. If you mention bitB and say defaming things then yes I will stick up for myself.

theimp - he comes out of the woodwork when his stable is in trouble, ignores everything else.

We are not and never will be in trouble because we do everything legit with partypoker and no other site has ever given us one extra $0.01, not even a tournament ticket for bringing players to their site.

Part of my reasons for not posting in these threads is people demand unanswerable answers. I'm simply a pro for a site just like Fedor, Jason, Joao and everybody else, I try my very best to help every player, deal with as many individual issues as I can, help make sure the site listens to as many players as possible, I spend hours and hours every day making sure partypoker grows and improves in every way I can. If you ask a question I'm not involved in, or can't comment in then there's not much I can do.

When you speak about bots, I say that when there has been bots who have been accused I've looked at hhs and helped the investigation from both sides. This propels from chomp and the gang telling everybody that I have access to every single hand on the site, can analyse players etc. Its absolute bull****. I will say the case here in full to sqaush this and stop the defaming. Limitless can confirm.

There was a Russian player who the team had detected had similarities of bot like behaviour. I looked at the evidence/stats/hands that they spoke about to help from a player who understands stats as good as anybody in the industry. I looked into it, and saw there was a lot of stuff that perhaps ingame software could suggest, but very possible he could just be studying and working out. I did a 3 way call with the accused user and limitless, we spoke about the stats and I brought up some hands and asked for his analysis, why he did what he did. When he felt uncomfortable or struggling to put his point across he spoke in Russian and Limitless translated. Limitless did it for free to help, I spent time on it because I wanted to help, I gave my "professional opinion" to the guys and that was it. I of course don't have access to anybodies hands and feel free to write to any gaming commission and ask them to search for anything, they simply won't find and it is a waste of time continuing to come on again and again and defend myself.

There has been some amazing changes in the last 2 years that are industry defining from our side and on 6th of May you are going to see IMO the biggest change that we have made and that will rock the industry a bit. I can't say anything right now, but you will see the lengths and depths to help the amateur player equally to the professional player from myself when that comes out.

We are really all on the same side here, we all want partypoker to be as big as possible, I promise there's no foul play. Blood? Sure. Sweat? Sure. Tear? Sometimes! Maliciousness? Absolutely not.

Again for gazzy and the other guys I understand why you would think like you do and thats fine, thats why I take the time to defend myself and ask you to look at the facts of everything.

The situation of a stable owner being an ambassador of a poker site is unacceptable on principle. Game security and integrity is the #1 poker issue in 2018 and going forward. Every site except for Stars is still in the stone age in that regard. Little wonder they can constantly get away with raising rake when this is what the competition has to offer.

Joao has one of biggest stables in the world, Dominik at 888 is one of the biggest stakers in the world, Akkari huge staking operation, Winamax pros like Davide etc do huge staking.

Its natural successful pros gravitate towards staking and many many ambassadors are involved in staking.

I agree. Nothing wrong with an ambassador staking players. The difference between yourself and those you mentioned is you are in charge of setting up Mtts for the site and those you mentioned have no deciding power on offerings.

It does raise a potential for a huge conflict of interest and I'm surprised Party or yourself didn't consider it even if u believe your involvement doesn't benefit your stable.

Stopped playing at partypoker like 5 years ago and happy about that.

Everything gets consulted through whole 2p2 advisory panel, full partypoker team pro panel (Fedor talks reguarly on podcasts etc being on this panel) then optimized and changed/edited from huge poker team working in the office. There has been huge emphasis on games that I have never staked anybody in my life for, massive improvement in every stake level, there has been massive changes to approach and from next month massive benefits to players, all players, recreational players. The other pros absolutely do have an influence in their sites games too.

But ok, not to argue about it, just wanted to initially defend the defamation of cheating etc associated with bitB that was very unfair to the guys there.

I don't think there is any collusion (organized) with your operation. With that many players some news/rumours would have leaked.

As for the advisory panel that seems like Trumps advisory panel. If u don't agree then there's no room for you. Just my opinion.

I think there has been a disconnect somewhere. I don't believe that BiTB has done anything wrong. However, from what I have heard, BRS certainly do some shady stuff.

My issue is with partypoker actively working with stables. There was 100% an article on PokerNews about it with Tom Waters that has now disappeared.

I feel that partypoker may be in breach of UKGC rules, and I think it at least warrants some kind of investigation from the UKGC.


BiTB, or any stable, does not hold a gaming license. Party does and it has to play by a mountain of rules. So my report to the UKGC was not about BiTB, just about Party. Which ANY consumer is allowed to do so.

lol party poker.. i have heard numerous issues with their software/security over the years.. despite its improvements still hard to trust it.

from people losing money from their accounts (when they didnt play specified games in logs).
to people being logged in and losing money cause someone got into their acccount and played roulette

and somehow security wasn't able to locate/find the IP in either situation listed above(that among other reach around techniques)

Are you not the guy who pretended you had no internet connection for days when you were asked a question you didn't want to answer(in this thread?)...all the while you were in Vegas which has free wifi in every ****ing casino, restaurant and hotel?

You can talk about how great you are and how much you want to help people but you are only out for yourself, same as every other paid pro on every site ever. Don't insult my/our intelligence. Be honest.

You shouldn't be running stables for a site you are representing and you shouldn't have access to hand histories that the rest of us have no access to, while you are running stables.

The Party software is atrocious. The only thing that's changed is the font size and color which is a few lines of code ffs. I don't believe you pros are doing anything to help the players...only to help yourselves.

Good day sir

I do not think you have unlimited access to any hand histories of your choosing. I was going off what you said, you run at least one tournament stable on a site that employes you, and you admitted you personally have access to hand histories that you review in collusion cases only, not unlimited access. If I came accross as thinking the latter my bad. If you feel victimized by myself personally or defamed my apologies. I trust you act in good faith with no wrong doing.
I can tell you as a customer i have felt just as defamed and victimized by my experince on the tables. If you feel personally attacked by me I will say I do not think you are doing any wrong doing or anything malicious. For the record.

I will say as a whole you and colleagues are doing very bad for my experience playing on party poker but again I DO NOT think you have access to all hand histories and using them maliciously and for benefit of your stable. The point i was trying to make like above posters is that I do not agree with somone having access to ANY hand histories that also run a stable on a site. To me that is not fair. It does not suggest you are doing anything wrong or ever would. It’s just ethically not right IMO.
Thank you

The problem here is that you position yourself as more than an ambassador, basically like a team member with behind-the-scenes access. Surely you can understand the criticism you're receiving? Whether you believe it's warranted or not, the lack of transparency and avoidance of real issues is a problem.

If Pads really is genuine then it sure is an unfortunate coincidence that his posts and style of rhetoric read exactly the same as every other scamming sociopath I've ever come across on 2p2 and other online forums.

Hi Pads,

Can you confirm that BitB players are limited to the same rakeback percentage/bonuses/vip program as unaffiliated players?

Have you ever being asked to investigate anybody from your stable?

Or have you ever helped someone from your stable who has being investigated?

To a outsider looking in it seems very wrong that someone making a profit from staking people on a site has a insiders view on security, and indeed is asked to help in the investigations.

Were you to decide to run illegal software or help people to cheat (and i am not insinuating anything by this) you would be in the perfect position to do so,having the security team asking you for input and to study hand histories, and even call up the players to investigate.

Being told by Patrick to wait for the big industry changing thingy reminds me of post supernova changes by Pokerstars when Negreanu promised big changes for all casual players and we got .10 extra rakeback a year per micro player and the god awful chests full of dirt and sand. I can’t wait

Wow, I can't believe what I'm reading from this OurSurveySays guy. He seriously thinks he's doing nothing wrong and everything is above board. I hope he gets his comeuppance sooner or later. Preferably very soon.

Has anyone deposited on Party using a Vanilla Mastercard in Ont Canada?

+1 to most of the posts above. The fact is that you seem to assume that we should take your word for being trustworthy. I actually think you probably are, but that doesn't change the fact that you are in a position with party that is wholly unacceptable given your other investments.

Also, even if you are helping party poker build a good mtt schedule and behaving in an ethical way, providing hundreds of players with coaching and connections for what is ultimately your own benefit is clearly extremely negative for the poker community as a whole. Most of those players are too short sighted and greedy in the short term to realise that, but it's still the truth. You pretend you are some kind of ambassador for poker who helps the players, but there is a decent argument to suggest you are very very harmful to the game as a whole.

No offence to you as a person intended, I'm just saying what I and many other think.

This. The conflict of interest here is obvious and I'm surprised he doesn't see it. Operating what he claims to be one of the largest staking stables, while having great influence on MTT scheduling, collusion reviews (I think?) and general operations in relations to tournaments is not a good look for Patrick or partypoker.

There's precisely 0% chance party ever become bigger than Stars the way they're running things. It seems like amateur hour over there, and they've only managed to achieve their traffic increase so far because they've allowed themselves to lose money hand over fist. As soon as they have to stop pruning that money tree it'll all come tumbling down online and live. Their massive overlays and rakeback program are both completely unsustainable.

I have been playing for more than a year for BitB and there were no such things iirc. My deal with them is now over so if you are curious about any other information or some conspiracy theories don't hesitate to hit me up a message here or write me in the blog (inbefore you won't listen to my opinion because I was playing for them lol)

I still don't understand why Pads is getting so much **** since so far it does not seem like there is any evidence to some of the conspiracy theories other than that "we think..what if...we feel like...he should not be in X position..." and everytime he manages do defend himself (like a villager from a werewolf game) you manage to attack his arguments not from a rational standpoint (=having counterargument or showing him that his part of the story does not check out / he does not come from a genuine place) but rather emotionally without too much evidence.

I think it is good to be skeptical and keep people in check that are in similar position like Patrick that they don't become greedy and don't **** industry and people over. But so far it does not seem like much of **** you are throwing is sticking (if we talk about BitB especially)