Actually I care what he has to say and anyone who cares about the state of online poker should care about what he has to say. He's making a lot of valid points with regards to bots and cheating (which is very rampant on Party and PP security is doing little/nothing about it). Not to mention the stables. No one who represents Party should be running a stable, they need to be stripped of their sponsorship immediately if this is the case.

Please don't try to talk on behalf of everyone else. You don't represent my view or a lot of people's views.

Me too.

Yeah, lets all be just quiet about botting, colusion and other stuff, maybe it will resolve itself.

Yeah just let's listen to pads and his fanboys. Everything is fine, nothing to see here.

Let's just ignore the facts and let collusionists, bots and pads stable to rake poker to death.

Played a fair bit on Party the last couple of weeks and I have withdrawn my roll and won't be returning

The tournies go on forever. So many chips, so many stupid levels, so much late reg.

The fields are full of stable players. I've talked to a couple of people about it and the relationships are very deep, and they get huge preferential treatment.

About 2 years ago the MD did a PokerNews interview talking about how important the stables were to their strategy but thats now disappeared from the internet (would be great if anyone could find it, done by Matthew Pitt and the MD is Tom Waters).

Hopefully the few recs that are playing there will figure this out and go back to Stars.

I have a feeling that the whole thing is a pyramid type money grab by GVC. Load up the site with essentially house players and then float the company in a couple of years.

I for one would love to see that article.

There are too many oddities in this story so we can safely assume that PartyPoker is doing some illegal or at least some gray area stuff. And their relationship especially with BitBStaking and Dusk till Dawn is super shady and filled with question marks.

There's been lots of proved collusion and so on which has had 0 impact to their offering, colluding players have been able to continue playing and they have never proven to take any action against colluders + they have lots of promotions which are clearly targeting bots and collusion + players sharing their account like some promotions which require playing 24/7 for a week.

THANK YOU


FarseerFinland. I was trying to find info on the suggested article pokernews interview did on tournament stables and came across yours from last Novemeber regarding collusion on Party in high stakes MTT. How did that end up? Did Patrick Leonard ever add you to skype or get back to you?

Re the whole Pads thing, my opinion on it is that it probably is a conflict of interests, but not really the fault of Pads for accepting the position of ambassador, moreso it's a complete cluster**** from Party to have offered it to him.

Is there any validity to what this bloak is saying? He doesn’t really give any insight as to why he names these accounts as cheating

http://www.ifoedit.com/partypoker.html

The software thread had a thread since early March sitting there with a player from this video advertising a hand converter on Party Poker and saying how he thinks Party bans it in TOS but most winning regs use it and party has never given them a warning or enforced it. That thread was linked here along with an email to party poker showing it. So instead of sending a rep in here and addressing it like a transparent professional they’ve decided to have 2p2 mods erase the whole thread and delete my post here.

He initially quickly replied that he'll into that and asked me to add him to Skype. Never accepted or tried to contact me after that.

Nothing after that, never talked with him. Absolutely only one who ever replied or talked to me from PartyPoker was Party_Rep.

I couldn't say anything for certain, but a few things on that page make me question it:

The site lists cheaters, but at the same time seems to have at one time been providing software to cheat, although this is a little unclear.
It mentions Empire Poker as being one of the skins to create accounts on - hasn't that been closed for years?
Most questionable of all - "Using this tool, it is pretty easy to use all cheats: (download here (Sorry Partypoker payed me 200.000 $ to remove the download lin!))". LOL, what?

There are times you raise good points, but it's a shame that often when you do, this is how you choose to do so. You state as fact something that you have no way of knowing, and which is in fact not true. It would be so much more productive, and less people would be dismissive of your posts, if you didn't always assume the absolute worst of everyone.

First of all, thanks for pointing out the thread. I don't often read this thread, but it just happened that I did yesterday and saw your link. I've had no discussion with Party about it - I followed your link, and then had more of a look at the poster. Since all but one of his posts were promoting his own products, some of them were commercial, and at least a couple of them were likely violating site T&C's (not just Party's), I decided to ban him and remove all of his threads aside from his old one for a free product. It's possible he may be allowed back on the site to offer support for some of his software, but he'd have to address a number of issues first.

I removed your post because it was mainly based around a link to a thread that no longer existed. And I'm going to remove the YouTube link you provided in this post, as I don't see why we'd want to provide a free advertisement for that software.

Heard I can get 80% rakeback if I join a certain 3 lettered staking company that is pretty well affiliated with Party.

Interesting...

Title should be changed too:

A million reasons not play on party poker

I agree with many that Chomp comes across too harsh which diminishes his points. But when u get past the insults the content has a lot of truth to it.

None of the concerns about site integrity have been even addressed let alone fixed to my knowledge... perhaps the bot situation has improved a bit.

Yes BRS players who absolutely infest the sats on the site too.

It's so so disgusting.

I don't think I'ver ever heard of Stars having any kind of deal with a stable, but there seems to be multiple on Party. That article that disappeared was specifically talking about the Brazilian stables.

This reminds me: there was a widespread rumour few years back about Brazilian collusion ring running at MPN network MTTs. Those MTTs have small fields and as far as I know nothing was proved, but there really was a feeling that something is not right. I stopped playing there back then, but I wouldn't be surprised if some Brazilian stable really was behind it.

Especally satellites with more than 10 seats prizepool are super easy to get rigged by some group. There's been proven collusion @ PartyPoker sats before and they never banned player(s) involved.

+1 for Chomp has made up some valid points, but way he brings his message through usually makes it harder for most people to take him seriously. And some users here are either deliberately or by accident trying to derail all discussions about PartyPoker integrity and bots / collusion problems while site itself has never actively done anything to address the issue.

My bad. English is my third language I speak. I will try and be more...thoughtful? Methodical? Respectful? When speaking towards Party Poker, however it is infuriating when they clearly are a disjointed bunch and not sticking to the promises of last year when Patrick Loenard came here made all these promises. Its frustrating to want poker the way it was but seem to do everything in their power to promote cheating as we see.

Yeah I can feel for you. I also don't speak English as my native language and it's time consuming and hard to write good stuff @ language that's not my native tongue. Just try to write about the issue and check once before you post if your post is too aggressive and if it is just try to smoothen the post while keeping the issue intact. It's like "don't hate the player, hate the game".

I personally made a furious outburst against Patrick @ MTT thread when he did ignore me and other posters like 1000th time ignoring all useful feedback and just answering to guys who were praising him while doing exactly what he personally wanted while taking all the credit from success and avoiding all the responsibility of his failures. Of course this was only post he actually replied after ignoring me for months which pretty much sums up that he isn't really interested about constructive feedback but just wants to do all the stuff his own way with no intervention. He hasn't even mentioned about MTT collusion issue by a word although it's as much his fault as PartyPokers security team that they let it happen.

But it's better to fight them with facts. It's very frustrating that as players we're almost completely at the mercy of poker sites (most operating under a license which offers no support for players when they have a problem with a site + all poker sites have predatory terms and conditions stating that their decision is final) but right now it's actually looking that PartyPoker might experience huge backlash because they arrogantly ignore all the security issues while keeping it secret what their real relations are with poker stables and other stakeholders.

I have just made a complain to the UKGC about the behaviour of partypoker and their relationships with stables like BITB and BRS.

http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk...omplaints.aspx

I chose the section, 'whistleblowing about a way that a gambling business is run'.

I would suggest that this is the kind of thing that would be more effective if a number of people voiced their concerns about.

The UKGC has recently investigated and fined various UK facing companies and I feel that this will be taken seriously.

We used to give Daniel Negranu credit too.
Sometimes I don't get why we let people so easy off the hook just because they are good at something and we admire them for it (succesfull poker pros,actors,actress,pro sports players).

He should never accept the position in a first place . He does outstanding job in representing BitB interest with Party Poker but other than than he just does an increadibly ****ty job.

Do you think he would be so silent etc if it was MTT that got screwed with all the anon hand history fiasco? Do you think he would still represent Party POker? Of course he wouldn't unless they would change their decision.

But as soon as it doesn't affect his bottom line he just look the other way. You need to make those milions somehow I guess.

And I have huge respect to Patrick as a player. Loved his work with pokerstrategy and how much he put into community and it grow back then.

There is amazing book called "Mistakes were made but not by me. Why we justify foolish beliefs, bad decisions and hurtful acts" and he should read it.

He probably isn't even aware how his position and decisions look from the outside. Thats why he shouldn't accept the postion in a first place.
Like he will always do everything to protect his own business (BitB) thats like his child without even realizing it and how much bad it can cause.

While on the one side it's the right thing to do, I on the other side would like this information (exists software for 888-Snap and Party to display a fully functional HUD) to be kept in another form. People unaware of this who consider to play on one of these rooms should be made aware of that. Maybe a sticky in Internet listing known issues at poker-sites like bots and software like the ones from this bloke.

If I was Party Poker I would be begging for former Stars employees like Michael Josem to work for me with an open cheque book to not gain a competetive advantage or software improvement, but gain some semblance of direction for drastically improving game integrity and customer service. You need people capable of executing and maybe thats the problem.

Right now he's a little busy with "Coin Poker" and by many accounts he should be a busy man trying to clean up that site.

Pretty funny how a 30 second sharkscope check revealed mochalov13 was a 24/7 bot grinding the low leaderboard, playing for literally 72 hours nonstop.

And he finished second.

Soon as leaderboard ends I'm betting a lot of players will be playing on Party a lot less with what's going on.