I tested it right now. Put some money on the table and took it off, and my balance remained the same.

- Bots.
- 3rd party software.
- PP software upgrade.


The investigation into suspect BOT accounts is ongoing as always - as per the comments in the thread we have a dedicated team working around the clock monitoring tables and watching for suspect accounts

Any player found to be using predatory 3rd party tools will be removed from the site and risk losing any balance
We allow HUDS however we do not guarantee they will work on our site
Other tools are not permitted

pp software updates are ongoing as per my statement on several threads
Details of the recent update can be found here>

https://www.partypoker.com/download/updates.html

Please address any further concerns on either of our official threads

You have a Euro account?
You bought in to a USD table?

I've noticed on ipoker sites that they use the same table buyin exchange rate as the table withdrawal exchange rate. Maybe party does the same then, and I was incorrect on this specific point. That is good if thats the case.

Calculate your exchange rate by = USD money deposited at table/money euro taken out of account. Then after you've played some hands without auto top up or anything, withdraw and see if it is the same rate or not?
For withdrawal = USD money withdrawn from table/euro put back in to account.
I.E. deposit $25 / 20.745euro = 1.2051
You win some and withdraw $30. Now you balance should be $30/1.2051 = 24.89419euros if the same exchange rate was used.
Try it. I'm interested to know, because it means party is only half as bad as I thought if that's the case.

BUT you are definitely getting hit by deposit and withdrawl 'fees' when depositing and withdrawing from the site. They don't call them fees but your exchange rate will be approximately 2.5% off mid market rate for deposit AND withdrawal from the site. (I.E. 5% fee total) You can check the mid market rate here: http://www.reuters.com/finance/currencies

This is normal practice when exchanging currency.

Banks and FX bureaus have been doing it for years.

There's always a difference between the sell price and the buy price (the spread) and nowhere will you ever get the mid market rate.

Banks and FX bureaus set their own rates - that's why you get advised to shop around when you buy foreign currency.

why can't i deposit in USD when my balance is in USD?

f.e. i paid $61.55 for $57.90 in balance, i think that's pretty sick

Any chance to get back Holdem Manager or Poker Tracker to regular tables?

Yes, I have EUR account, and therefore don't have to pay deposit/withdraw fees, since my Skrill account is also in EUR.

I did buy in to an USD table, and the buy in/cashout exchange rates were the same.

hm2 session stats no longer working?

Pokerstars offers mid market exchange rates USD,EUR and GBP.
Bitcoin poker sites offer mid market exchange rates.

But my point was that there shouldn't even exist a need for a USD exchange rate on a site that doesn't accept US players.

Thank you for this information. So you played some hands and the exchange rate was the same?

The site deposite/withdrawl problem still exists because they choose to run USD tables on a non US site.

Skrill has fees does it not? For deposit and withdrawal in to the site? Around 2% both ways?
AND/OR Skrill has fees when you try to withdraw/deposit from your bank.
So I guess it's cheper to just deposit in to the site using foreign currency.

deposite? withdrawl? cheper? What are these isues of witch you speek?

BRS just outed themselves as having a special rakeback deal.

We are looking for cash players (if you know any) that are existing Online winners preferably medium stakes grinders (100NL to 400NL) to play 100 200 400 Fast Forward on Party Poker
We appreciate many such individuals do not need staking so to make it an attractive proposition for them the deal offer is as follows;
80% profit share
50% rake back from Party Poker direct into account
30% bonus based on Rake from BRS into account
If you know any existing winning cash grinders that may be interested please send them to me


I had heard on the grapevine that BRS had a 70% rakeback deal with party for all their players but had no proof to back it up so kept silent. If your maximum rakeback is 40% how do you explain them offering 50% DIRECTLY FROM PARTY and bonuses on top of that if BRS arent getting significantly more on their tagged accounts.

I wan't to support party but while these under the table deals are going on and BRS are a significant % of the player base in tournaments and satties all the while colluding with each other in giant skype groups and getting away with it makes it difficult.

Party has 50% rakeback (diamond club) for those who rake over 100k$ yearly. That bonus part based on rake looks very bad on Party though, unless they take action.

Why would another persons rack back deal effect you ? When i first signed up for party everyone had different rack back deals and no one GAF.

It bothers me when one large stable has a exclusive deal for high rakeback and they all play as a team. Especially with the party rep explicitly stating in this thread that no such deal exists. Individuals getting good deals from old affiliates is fine in my book. More sinister when its a large scale stable doing the same thing.

Ty for the updates. Party has ignored this issue and tried to sweep it under the rug.

No affect? Really? Suppose you went into a restaurant and ordered a half rack of ribs, then you found out another guy paid the same for a full rack, it's like an affective rack increase of 50% just for you, of coarse your effected.

This and it also casts a shadow for everything else Party claims they do or do not. Like more worrying satellite collusion which Party seemingly has done nothing about and possibility to change tickets to $$$ for some players.

Nobody wants to play against house-players.

haven't played on party since like forever. are these house players any good? what games/stakes do they play?

I just timed out in a big hand in a mtt because your software sucks. It keeps popping up new windows whenever a table is switched, it is all over the place. The buttons I click are not 'imediate'.. there is slight delay in them which is super tilting. But you probably know this because it is your software. Also there is a neurotic refresh rate going on in some elements of the software, like the code is writting by some drunk students in 1996. Please stop doing highstakes cashgames and such and maybe first fix your software.

Patrick will post more but it sounds here like BRS are effectively house players with a special deal to stay in the games.

Don't hold your breath. He posted 2 months ago that he would look into it and so far nothing.

All players expect is transparency and then the consumer can make his choice on where to play.

Even ****ty ******** software is better than bwin/party for me at this point. And it's genetric crap, which says a lot. At least it doesn't freeze when I flop top set while my internet connection and connection the network working fine!

I have never been as displeased with any poker site as with bwin/party.

ever tried (A)I(DS)Poker?