reading comprehension is not your strong suit bud

Within 5 minites of this post, Collette, or the other lurking associates of PP should of been all over this poster, begging for his involvement to help get cheaters/bots off their site. Yet nothing, because they really don't give a....Collette, you and your fellow managers at Party should be terminated- if you really do love Poker like you say, than for the betterment of the Integrity of your site and games, and the fairness of them RESIGN.
It's clear you are not fit for the job and games will remain unsafe with you at the helm. This is a joke

Can you share the stats to look out for?

As keen as I am to get the bots banned, it would be counter productive to disclose identifying stats on a public forum. Don't want the make bot programmers' job easy for them by tweaking the software!

100nl and under:
Eastern euro and solid stats of midstakes crushers is 99.9pct bot.
You don't need to know more. Most of the party poker pool on the reg tables is bots.

No-one in their right mind would play regular cash tables on Party anymore.

I only play MTTs there now.

That seems to be what they want. One of their employees runs a stable of MTT players.

LOL. That wouldn't surprise me.

I'm an American now living in Europe.

I haven't played ANY online site since BF, at which time I got burnt BADLY bankroll-wise because I was living in the U.S. at the time, had a lot of money on FT, as well as some money spread across the other sites, and the U.S. DOJ put terms on my monetary recovery that were untenable to me. That said, I've always been primarily a live cash player. Stud hi was my first grind, then LHE, then PLO, then the mix (any combo up to 20 or so games, including the big bet games).

When I moved to Europe in January, I found that they are really only playing live NLHE cash and a little bit of PLO where I reside now. I'd play those games if they were +EV, but the rake is sick where I live. If I want to go to a casino where I live, I have to pay a substantial "entry fee" (aka, cover charge); the rake is still much higher than I'm accustomed to in the U.S.; I'm not allowed to wear a baseball cap, hoodie, or headphones at the tables (which means I have to listen to people speak a language that I don't yet understand while I try to concentrate on the game); the games I can sit in are nowhere near as big as what I used to play in the States; the number of hands dealt per down is WAY lower than U.S. cardrooms (the games just play much slower); the PLO game, if and when it goes, is stocked with very strong players; and there do not exist a sufficient quantity of "soft spots" to make decent money playing live NLHE cash, given the overhead. The "underground" rooms here are a little better in terms of game selection, but they are rife with cheats and shills, I don't trust the dealers, and the rake is borderline obscene.

So what's the obv solution? Play on Stars or Party.

Well... naw, no, nope--NOT SO MUCH. Because I was an American player with a Party account pre-BF, the red tape I was required to attempt to navigate to explain that I am not trying to play from within the U.S., and that I have residency in the E.U. now was literally disgusting. I was met with slow and incompetent "help" from both sites, and as I awaited my issues getting resolved, I finally got an email from Stars essentially saying they weren't sure if they could figure out how to "convert" my old account, so I gave up with them, hoping Party would step up. Things lingered and lingered, and in the meantime, a well-respected pro texted me something along the lines of: "DO NOT PLAY ON PARTY! If there's any decent LHE action on there, you'll be playing against bots. If you're trying to play mix, that action is mostly on Stars, and without stats, you'd have sick variance playing legit mix on Party, if they even spread it. Also, any stud hi action that will be on Party will 100% be you vs. Chinese and Russian collusion rings and bot farms."

Result: I haven't played poker since January.

These sites need to step up their MF'in game, man! If you've got someone TRYING to give you their action--someone who lost tens of thousands of U.S. dollars on BF, but who is STILL willing to trust your site regardless--and either you can't figure out how to take my action or won't clean up your games enough for me to want to give it to you???

That's just insane.

Online poker isn't a "new industry" anymore. If brick and mortar casinos can manage the thousands and thousands of logistical and mechanical issues that arise on a minute-to-minute basis and still rob the public blind, y'all should be able to get this digital mess under control. Your margins are (or SHOULD BE) significantly higher than b&m casinos, and yet here I am, not giving you my money.

Come on, baby!

P.S.: bot farms MUST generate a wonderful volume of rake for online sites, so I can also imagine that it's not necessarily in any one site's best interest to clean up the games. I'm not at all sure that the volume of play that would be generated by "restoring the public's trust" (i.e., generating more rec play) would be +EV for these sites. I'd need convincing in that regard just to feel assured that there won't persist an inherent conflict or interest, such that the sites would actually want to protect the legitimacy of any action I'd give, even if they could figure out how to accept my deposits from a Euro bank account. So, for now, deal me out, boo!

Pads is hard to take serious on any of the PP matters, anything he does for the company i look at as self serving for him and his friends to make more money for themselves & their stable not for the betterment of the game or any random playing on the site

yes, can confitm that party is full of bots, its insane and dumb to play there, even their mtt/sng ara shady as f

Bud, maybe your friend mixgrill was having the converter software for partypoker tables still running minimized or in the tray at the time that screenshot was taken? Not impossible or is it?

Is the guy complaining for being told off by another user? I mean, you are the one responsible not whoever ratted you out but whatever man.

They can make rakeback 100%, but i still won`t play there without HEM2\PT4.

I prefare to have a track on my play instead of being completely blind.

How are the sng hero games in PP? Are they full of bots or it is ok to play there?

So online poker will just turn into a battle of bot developers and we'll just all be stakers in what developer we like and watch our bot?
Sites like PP will love it!

Is it possible to have stack sizes in BBs instead of chips after a new software changes? If not is there some allowed 3rd party soft that do so? (like stars helper, winamax has built in this feature)

PartyCaption.

new software update is just a new layout and colors, right?

feels like pretty much 100% the same software.

making a proper Poker(2d)Software [ ]

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Well I preferred when there was a bounty as that format had better structure and helped prevent botting - takes some work to factor in for a large bounty on one player.

As it stands now the rake is just too high imo at 100s. The structure is faster than stars but they're charging 5% rake.

Biggest revelation on this for me recently was Jungleman stating that he's seen suspicious activity in the 5k hu SNGS. You've also got guys like Oborra being accused of using sims.

Tournaments will be the last to fall victim to bots but I think it's gonna happen faster than expected due to AI advancing fairly rapidly.

You got a link to the jungleman and the oborra stories? thx

Patrick Leonard - what a load of bull. The second BF hit PP should have been rewriting their software. A golden opportunity and PP let it slip. The software was, is, and if past performance is any indication, always will be crap. PP has forever been saying what you recently regurgitated. Save the Trumpisms for a less enlightened crowd.

I think they are charging 5% in stars with 3 min blind levels