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Originally Posted by Logical user
This is very true. Perhaps it's time for an open discussion about the effects of the large stables? They are sucking out an enormous amount of money from the poker community, and even the ones that fail are ultimately creating grinders which is clearly no good for the game, even if they are roughly break even players.
Poker (and the horses for the most part) would very much be better off without them.
I'm not sure the poker sites themselves actually understand the influence they are having in the long term. Culling the stables would have an enormously positive effect on the ecosystem and probably the bottom line of the sites too as a result.
The idea that poker would be dead without them is quite frankly laughable. You've lost a lot of credibility by saying that pads. The poster who said your comment is self serving is spot on.
In cash games, i cant speak for MTTs, stables do not have that much of an effect. Most are breakeven players at best. Ive played on a super soft network through a stable a couple years ago. I had 9-12 table all by myself with recs and sometimes 1 local reg, he would almost be a fish on stars.
Once the stable grew a lot, it was still extremely soft.
The day it started to get bad, was when all the bots came. I was talking with the manager and he assured me it had nothing to do with this, bots were rare.. Yet every update, the converter didnt work for a day and i was there playing 12 tables with only fishes... and as soon as the bots were fixed: it was back to 1 fish per table.
Same goes for party, 888 and other networks. As soon as we have an update, bots are gone for a few hours and even at midstakes you get 4-5 fish per tables. Recently someone posted, after an update on party, that all the unknown regs were gone and it was hyper fishy. I, myself, have played 6 tables on party with only fishes after a bot crash.
That is why pokerstars zoom games are amazing and you get 2-3 fish per tables(most of the time) even at 100-200, there's almost no bots!
Rooms don't want to ban bots, all the human regs play on stars. That's why the networks are TOTALLY empty when the bots are offline. Even party, 888, ipoker, mpn. You barely have 5 tables running from 50 to 1k if bots are offline... All the human regs play stars.
Last week i saw a bot crash on 888, 4 fish per table nl200. 2-3fish nl 600-1k.
literally, if party actually wanted to ban bots.. most fastforward 0.5bb winnning regs would get up to 4-5bb's.
Only way to fix online poker, would be for the regs to stop acting all tough. Whats killing us is every reg that does not care about bots because they want to be macho men with their "sick" 25$ hourly
Last edited by jesusdied4urquads; 08-06-2017 at 08:13 AM.