Affs are good for the games justl like under the table rb deals were. Come on now.

Affiliates are fine as far as they atract new players to the site.
Also, affiliates give back some extra money making rakeraces, promotions etc.

If there were no affiliates in Party Poker, you have to be naive to think they're going to give anything back to the players from what they're giving now to the affiliates.

You have already 2 sites following the system you're suggesting(without affiliates or limiting the number of tables to make the games fun as you think)

Pokerstars and 888. Go and play there imo and don't waste time crying xD.

can anyone update on the traffic/softness of the fast forward games

the only thing they attract are old grinders to an old site and not new players to an old site.

Depends on the affiliate. Not that I particularly like it, but pokernews.com probably does have an effect on directing new players to a particular site.

Affiliates whose marketing strategy is coming high up in a google search for e.g. "Everest Poker rakeback" probably don't bring new players to e.g. Everest Poker though.

So... When's the new software coming out?

nitregfest

Any chance of 9 handed FF tables will be added?

yea games are really tigh

For those who want to have an idea of what they're going to encounter in ff games at nl100 I did a quick analysis.

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...nl100-1673486/

This. It's like terminator salvation. You think it's gonna be so good but it's just a boring battle against the robots. Obv it might change quite fast when people are getting fed up opening the coffins.

Guys the true is the playerpool even on nl25 is - preety good regs this days
to be winner in poker u must be in 2-3% intelligent people
I can't win on nl25 this days, 2 years ago i have 10bb/100 on nl100+
Today it's impossible for me. 98% ppl there is regulars also u have there light 3/4/5 bets on nl 25!!! they know how to play. Even on pokerstars i don't see on this limits that plays
stars>party now but rakeback on party;s

Thank you for letting us know that

Ye ff pool is a horror show

Games wont get better with recs moving over because of rakeback, and they wont continue to play in games that are nitregfests.

Party did a good job of attracting regs with good rakeback but its meaningless if nearly all people playing are regs which it seems like is the case.

This also relates back to affiliates, yes they give rake races and the like but that money comes from you and all it does is increase volume to rake more to offset losses getting there.

They need to create games with mandatory straddles or antes to mix things up. Every single game I've sat in has been 50% bots and 50% nits or tags. At this rate most of the nits and tags will quit and only the bots will remain to play each other. I sure as hell have stopped bothering to log in, as have my friends.

I've moved over to Party from Stars, and 100ff and 200ff (when it runs) are nowhere near as bad as people itt are making it out to be...

^ What hours/time zone are you playing?

Going for diamond club so quite a lot

Any chance of this happening Party Reps ?

Party need to get some more recs onto the site. 25FF isnt too bad but 50FF is a regfest. Just the same players table after table when it eventually gets going with the odd rec - who goes broke pretty quickly.

I want to make clear my view, online Poker has reached rock bottom with Pokerstars changes. Party is our only salvation, and it does not help that we keep complaining about it and do nothing to help the cause. "Party should do this and that and sucks because of this and that" yet we are making it suck even more with our attitude. Its time for us to take some responsibility here and start talking more about it to attract other players to the site, not scare them away. When a recreational player googles "online poker real money" he should be attracted by reading a lot of good stuff about Party and knowing the new generation is shifting towards it.

Wake up guys, Pokerstars went on a path of no return, it is beyond obvious that they do not care about winning players, they hate winning players as they are deemed as competition not customers.

If we want our past income to be attainable again we should stand by it, every action we take has a little bit of an impact on it, and threads like this cant help much. In fact there already is an Official Party Poker thread and this one is very outdated. IMO should be removed

agreed , party is not my idea of a perfect site but looks like the best option nowadays and should be supported by the poker community

I'm not part of the online realm anymore, but if people have legit gripes about PP (like the OP did) and they aren't being addressed saying we should support them in favor of PS sounds extremely short sighted.

Not to be rude but maybe you and the other guy need to read OP's original premise. These are SERIOUS problems. Just because everyone wishes a great site would ckme along and take Pokerstars off the block doesn't mean players should lower the stabdards to the abysmal level that the premise of this thread reaches. The FACT remains everyone of these points are valid and shockingly still abubdantly relevant. Taking away this thread will not remove that fact. This hread and more like it need to arise to hold sotes accoubtable for the terrible game integrity, terrible support and software they continue to get away with offering.

Nothing has changed at party poker since this thread began except a bunch of hollow promises and actions in good faith as well as initial template responses.
Game integrity continues to be a massive disappointment.