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Originally Posted by *CHOMP
Just so I understand. Patrick runs a stable of players that join tournaments on Party Poker when those tournaments are not meeting guarantees. Those players are "fun" players ( for the most part) but money won is split up between Patrick and his horses. Patrick is affiliated with Party Poker as an ambassador.
No that's wrong mate. Patrick's stable has nothing to do with it. We were talking about BRS, a different stable. Also I couldn't care less about a few punters being put into a live tourney to meet a guarantee, they're probably all terrible anyway. It was more about BRS having site priveleges like the conversion of tickets into cash as some other posters pointed out. We were questioning the validity of that statement.
With regard to stables, personally I've never been a part of one or sold action. Have always believed in organically working your way up. That's probably naive and why after all this time I'm still stuck playing midstakes online lol. However, well run stables do make online mtts significantly tougher.
They are a huge part of the online environment and the player pools in mtts would take a big hit without them. What I meant is that the good stables take care of their horses well, which is expected; Group coaching, hand history reviews, Skype strategy groups, personalised training videos for the stable, loans etc. We have no idea how much horses discuss about other regs with each other or if at all but one can assume it occurs at least to some degree within certain stables. Some offer coaching with Elliot roe or other mindset coaches. I know personally how much value working with Elliot has brought me. It's been life changing and I wouldn't want to deny that opportunity to anyone else. I'm merely stating how much value a good stable actually gives an average poker player.
In the past few years I've spent a significant chunk of my roll on poker coaching, mindset coaching, training sites etc and also foot all of my buy ins. It's tough and the swings are ridiculous but I prefer it that way for now. I do miss out on playing larger buyins and a bunch of live birds and that's probably holding back my own development to some degree. Yet on the other side, I can't imagine how stressful it is being buried in makeup and then trying to play your A game to get out.
Most definitely without stables I'd b playing smaller prize pools and I'm not saying every stable provides all of these tools, I've just personally witnessed how they've made the game tougher over the years. And that's a credit to the well run stables. It's no easy task to turn average players into crushers or even winners.
There are tools some of them use that I didn't even know existed for the longest time. For example; pio solver. Had never heard of it until a horse told a friend of mine that they were taught pio by their stable. I tried downloading it and was basically gibberish to me. I'm not very good with the technicalities behind solvers or other advanced software and that's not anyone's fault but mine. The game will continue to evolve whether I'm aware of it or not but stables certainly expedite that process. Some players would never even have heard of these tools unless they were introduced to them by their stable, let alone how to use them correctly. Whereas on the flip side, some of them might not be playing at all without a stable, which is actually worse.
At the end of the day, some stables definitely lose money and it's obviously an extremely tough business to run successfully. I heard a great podcast with remko recently where he interviews chris moorman. Was super interesting how he discussed his time as a backer and how difficult it was for him. The huge amounts of money he lost until he just quit and returned to playing poker full time again, with no added stress of backing. Now he's just writing books, playing solo and shipping bracelets. It's not an easy business to make profitable.
Anyway I'm done with this spiel. They're here to stay and are integral to large player pools. Let's move on.
Partypoker: When is the new software scheduled for release?
Last edited by Transcendence; 07-02-2017 at 09:50 AM.
Reason: Can't believe I just wrote so much. I gotta get out more.