You don't stand a chance improving anything. I have numerous friends that are using tools you supposidly ban easily. I choose not too but the regs on your site cheat, easy. Your security stinks and whats worse? The desicion regarding hand histories as final. It proves the people making these desicions truly are clueless and if this signifies thibgs to come all recs should cash out. And fast

Very keen to hear what Pads' "watch this space" post was in regards to. Could be some very welcome news on banning those using illegal tools.

On the other hand, the refusal to answer the question of why points weren't converted into money is still very disappointing. Party_rep's "they had no monetary value" jibberish aside, the silence from other actual Party ambassadors itt on the subject is deafening.

Lol so this BRS stable gets benefits over your normal customers? So sick of these staking stables as it is and what they've done to the online environment. Now if they have some extra benefits on your site that no1 else has, I need to know if that's true or not? Does BRS have the privileges that other posters mentioned? Yes or no?

Earlier on in the thread John Duthie said that if your points expired and you contact support at Party Poker then there is a good chance that they will listen to your case favourably.

can someone take a moment and explain the whole converter thing, sure doesn't HEM/PT4 convert the hands? do they not work on reg tabs, they work fine on zoom?

Everything is business like usual at ff games. Hands importing strd and the hud works. Reg tables imported hands doesn't show players nicks they are all Player 1,2 etc. At the tables you can see the players nicks but wont get any stats from them. But you can get a converter that makes the handhistories in to form that trackers can read and your hud works like any other site.

Obv these converters are not allowed to use at party but it's been a year now and they are still running. They advertise them here at 2+2 allso. But you should watch this space. Maybe give it another year and they manage to find and block the current ones and you can wait for a while and get the next generation converter.

And trackers / huds works just fine at mtts and sngs allso.

thank you sir.

hey PartyPoker better figure out and resolve this shady stuff if you ever want my action and others from stars at your site.

+1

Regarding the BRS story, what's been described about their relationship with party could well be true. I can only speak of their relationship with DTD:

I'm not a member of BRS, but for the big DTD gte's friends of BRS members are called upon when it looks likely they are going to miss the guarantee. For a 20% freeroll you could play some of their biggest buyin events. In order to get in you needed a pulse (some of the guys that get put in by BRS are completely unknown to BRS themselves, and wouldn't beat a pub game), and a willingness to wait outside the venue till literally the last minute of late reg (if DTD hit gte you didn't get put in, if they were about to miss, you got called).

Giving a random fish a 20% freeroll in a £1k is obviously not a profitable move for BRS, seemed fairly obvious to me there was some sort of collaboration between BRS and DTD to ensure gtes were hit.

My opinion, don't think there's much wrong with this practice, DTD is incredibly ambitious with their guarantees, to their credit, I guess you could argue players are being cheated out of overlays, but the majority of BRS guys are dead money.

Just got colluded against again in Party poker games. Support and security is a disgrace. Colette, are you and your staff this inept or are you corruot to allow this? I will get no refunds for this and quite frankly I would be mich better served posting what happened in this forum and having intelligent people looking into this. Your site is doomed with this continuing to occur while you and your colleagues take leisure trips around the world

Oh and sending a template 48 hour response within 5 minutes of an email and than taking the same 1-2 weeks to replay to anything is not improving service. It's lazy

What is the evidence that BRS can convert tickets to cash?

Without staking stables online poker would be pretty much dead.

not true at all. Nice self serving comment though.

I did say this but perhaps was lost.

If points would automatically be turned into cash it would be unfair on the people who spent their points and were told they had to in the sale.

Actually converting all points at the lowest new Rb rate 20% would have been an option but it would have been way worse for everybody who could just convert the points for really great % returns in the sale.

The timeline was like this

1- announce new Rb system is coming
2- announce biggest online series we've ever done
3- announce sale with huge returns
4- send out emails
5- post all over social media
6- post on 2p2
7- repeat 4-6 multiple times over
8- launch new Rb system with very big returns back to the old supernova/SNE kind of style system

If we did it more like

1- announce new Rb system is coming
2- automatically convert all points with 20% returns
3- launch new Rb system with 20-50% Rb

Obviously some people feel hard done by in the first timeline. I'm not going to say you shouldn't be, my involvement was with designing the new Rb system and helping make sure it runs well rather than work or what happens with the old points etc, I tried to tell everybody repeatedly that I knew to make sure they cashed in their points for the 50%+ return rate. Some people didn't and that's genuinely sad.

Anybody who truly thinks they got ****ed over, message me here on 2p2 and on Tuesday I will get around to all the emails and try to help out.

hahaha! The wouldnt be as big guarantee but games would be easier. You are bias as run staking business! Meca is right!!!

Think your getting mixed up here. Stables are accelerating the death of online poker.

People who think otherwise really are wrong, but I thought completely the same previously. If its very easy to have a stable, get winning players etc then there would be so many stables, all of you guys would have bunch of guys in every tournament etc.

The fact is its very very very tough to have a profitable poker stable. The people who run the stables don't know how to play poker themselves in general, so can't evaluate their players and know what games they should be in. In every tournament there are people who are losing players who are in there because they've convinced others somehow that they are profitable through old sharkscope graphs or whatever.

Anyway, the main thing is that poker stables put people in tournaments thus prizepools get bigger, thus more recreational players play.

Take for example a random $109 freezeout.

It needs 300 players to hit 30k guarantee. If there is no poker stables it won't come close to that. You need a lot of people with -5% to +5% in a tournament to get the liquidity.

Most of the big stables out there are staking losing players or breakeven players. Check the top players/coaches of the bigger stables and you will see, the smaller stables are making very little or losing money. There has been lots of stables/adverisements on 2p2 for backing over the last 10 years. I would say 200+? Out of those 200+ stables, how many of them are still running? How many of them are broke?

Don't always assume people are making money doing something or something is naturally bad for poker.

I have no idea about BRS/dtd, but lets say that the facts were.

DTD could run a 80k prizepool tournament but instead run a 100k prizepool tournament, where at the last minute 20k worth of players come in who are -5 or -10% roi, that is way better than running an 80k prizepool for everybody.

Do people really think there are WINNING poker players, waiting till the middle part of day 2 in a car park so that they can get put into a tournament!?!? The winning players are already in the tournament most likely.

Again, have no idea what does or doesn't go on, but if somebody is putting 20-40 people who are waiting around in a car park for a freeroll into EVERY tournament and adding 10-50k, then its likely very good for your chances!

Yes Pad but dont have to have a winning stable for it to be bad for online poker! If you have breakeven stable then all losers money is going to pokersite and not to other players that would play without stake!

thats not true.

here is an example why.

tournaments on other sites died because players stopped playing them. take the old 11r on stars or 8r etc, did they die because stars increased the rake and thus recreational players were angry about paying an extra $0.10? Or did the recreational players leave because the guys who owned stables started to not wanting to pay rake on rebuys, thus prizepools were a lot smaller thus recreationals didnt want to play a $11r for $1.5k first place when it used to be $20k

maaaaybe gonna agree on some points about mtts, but surely there is nothing positive about spin&go stables for online poker, can't think of a single positive thing tbh except for mb high stakes spins starting faster on smaller sites

Can we address the HUD issue (with converters)?

^^biggest problem I see with banning HUDs/Converters is one can always run another computer that scrapes the necessary data for said HUDs to run undetected.