But Party can't detect the HH convertor.

The diamond club will be = Regs who use converters.

I don't know the current situation in Unibet but last time I checked the situation was same as from the beginning of new system. People can use holdem indicator or whatever hud and the only thing site does is to tell 2+2 thread that holdem indicator is not allowed and people who use is might get banned or whatever. But nobody or (?) ~nobody ever has been banned. Atleast they allow screenname changes very often.

It's been quite a long time after party made these changes and yet it seems that nothing has been done other than forum writing how it's forbidden and no one should do it..

It sounds like you'll lose 70% of your cash game business than. These are great statements Patrick but It seems thats all they are on the surface. It doesn't seem like you're able to detect these users at all as people are using them with complete confidence.

PATRICK. Up to 70% + or more of regilars on your site are in fact violating the TOS and cheating. Are you prepared to stop this immediately and issue significant refunds to the 30% playing fair (stupidly)?

what % of your stable use the converter? You don't know?

Source?

But they are technically welcome since you can't detect them and no one using them has been banned, right?

In mtts nothing has changed. Only in regular cashgames the handhistories are in the player1 etc format. How do you not know that by now?

This sucks for pussies like me who wont buy the 3rd party tool. Just in case pp somehow manages to find a way to find them and ban the users.

That's a fine sentiment but is meaningless when it is not reflected in reality. Words are wind. Majority of regs are using HH converters to bypass the supposedly HUDless tables.

Anyway this entrenched "we are sticking by our decision" nonsense is exactly the kind of thinking that will prevent party from grabbing as much of the market share in the light of Pokerstars shambolic management. Instead of actually getting things right you are just being a few degrees less shambolic.

Here's an idea, how about implementing the most elegant solution (that has been mentioned and ignored countless times in Pokerstars threads on the medium-long term health of the cash ecosystem): simply impose a 4 table cap on players for cash games.

"We are sticking to our decision" is very stars-esque, as the guy above me said.

I thought party was the voice of reason and overturned policies when many people came out to speak against an idea.

This isn't even a "it's just 2+2 small player base". I'm sure if the recs knew people were able to get hands on them and they themselves couldn't they wouldn't be happy.

For your own survival please just sort this **** out. If you do so many people who play on stars and other sites will have restored faith and definitely make the move to you.

I want immediate refunds Party poker for you allowing me to participate in games knowngly with cheaters, stables potentially infiltrating game types ( good luck with that with a stable leader playing stupid). With the amount of unfairness being allowed by you it's a real testiment to the lack of safety for any rec player here. With any ounce of regulation your regulators should have your games shut down for lack of safety. Why should I as a non cheater continue to suffer potential losses while you pretend to sort out cheating ( when you can't even get basic prevention right as suggested above), you take the losses and shut your games down, go the the labs and figure it out. Than reopen a fair game

Is this the actual policy though? If Party ever posses the technology to determine who is using a converter, can we expect those regs to be permanently banned and have their funds confiscated or would they just be sent a warning?

Partypoker leading the industry these days in improvement and listening to players. Big ups. New rakeback is amazing. Live chat staff has been garbage but Collette and Pads has been great

partypoker made a brilliant move offering more rb in a point stars and 888 were basically as greedy as they can be , there was a lot of unhappy customers with these changes and party offered what we all wanted , sadlty they are blind to see how bad this hh change is ,

-regs need to pay $100usd a month to not be in a big disavantage.
-when the few regs who are not cheating realize all the other regs are cheating they will feel scammed
-when the RECS realize that all the regs are cheating they will feel scammed too and never come back , which will hurt games a lot , husker said there are people offering this hh convertor openly @ 2+2 so that a big tell about party poker security , the owners of the program are 100% sure party don't care and won't catch any cheaters thats why they are confident enough to made this program public even tho it breaks PP TOS
-a lot of pokerstars regulars like me actually won't move their action to party because we don't want to cheat but we don't want to be in a big disavantage too so you are going to miss a lot of deposits there.

the statement " we are sticking to our decision" its like saying we don't care what you guys think we are doing what we want even though your reasons are completely valid
so how should we proceed as regs ? maybe we should all mail the guys who give partypoker a gambling license ? maybe we can complain there so they can force party to bring a SAFE and FAIR environment to play poker what do you guys think?

^ great post, reps and pads and whoever, read this.

Hopefully Patrick can convince them that sticking to their guns on this one is ridiculously -ev, maybe the people up at the top don't realise how many people are using converters and how badly this screws people over who don't use them (regs and fish).

I feel the initial integration of the policy was to protect players but the reality is its now even worse than if HHs were available to everyone.

Not to mention that it helps prevent bots. A mtt ring took 600k out of the ecology over 40k games without getting detected, it was only discovered because a 2+2er had a big DB on them. If it's possible to get away with that much in those small fields then I just don't see how Party can police their cashgames fairly on their own.

that one needs to be quoted.

How about 2+2 feedback night there? Already got a package and I guess quite many people coming who post somewhat regularly @ 2+2.

Hopefully not raining (almost) whole week this year

If Trigger1981 says is even partially true it is extremely worrying way to get rid of overlays. There's quite many proved foul / soft play / collusion events for money @ 20-seaters and the most obvious one (GylbertFD1 chipdumping http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=3698 ) seems still to be playing after reported a clear case from multiple players @ Party MTT thread. It was also clearly mentioned that this wasn't isolated / Party-only related incident for the player involved.

As it's very hard to prove such instances it is probable these cases are far more common. As I don't play DTD / most live sats can't comment on those, expect that they've got huge overlays occasionally. Remember some 530+r satellites to 8,3k highroller seat (which played next day or so that non-UK players could play them) with 50+100% overlay etc.

About OSS as he said I don't really think they're massing their horses @ satellites and generally run a fairly managed stable. So unless something else comes up no need to fire at him at this one. But some other stables certainly take easy money even with some questionable deals, no questions asked.

An MTT bot ring now? No where is safe from bots.

What's funny is that honest regs continue to grind on Party, knowing (or perhaps not knowing) that they are mostly up against unbeatable non-human players who never tilt.

Online poker has become a joke now. You have no clue who is using what illegal software against you, who are the human players, who is using real time assistance to make decisions. Sites are not making enough effort to prevent blatant cheating.

TO me, IMO when rules like this are so blatantly bad for the fairness and integrity of the game and benefit the cheaters so much, it makes you wonder strongly if the people making these desicions are profiting from them and theselves hiding their corruption because reversing this ridiculous desicion is a no brainer to uphold the integrity of helping police games which they definitely need. Kinda sketchy when ambassadors of sites have stables infiltrating game types here ( for fun surely) and tos are made to protect cheaters. Something smells funky here

i also really like the idea of a 3-5 tables max rule..

a tablecap really is an elegant way to solve many problems at the same time

When is Sochi btw? no news about it anywhere.

Quote:

Following on from the hugely successful partypoker LIVE Sochi event in March, which smashed its $1 million guarantee, the partypoker blog is delighted to announce the next partypoker-run tournament at the Sochi Casino and Resort will take place between September 1-11 and see the prize pool swell to $5 million* with $1 million* locked up for the eventual champion.

It's surprising that there's been very little promotion or buzz about this, considering $5M guaranteed. I would have expected full sized promotional boost, especially considering that most people need Visa to be able to travel to Sochi which has to be applicated for weeks before.

This 100%. I don't play cash games but the fact that this has been pointed out by countless regs and coupled with allegations that the software is widespread and untraceable by PP, leaves really no reasonable explanation as to why PP would turn a blind eye to mass outcry regarding the rule. Gets to a point where stubbornness or incompetence is no longer an excuse.

https://www.partypoker.com/live/even...ns-russia.html

I don't know why anybody would play at that site, software is bad compared to others, always has been.
My account got closed because I moved and had to change my personal info, they told my phone number is NOT my phone number...hahahahaha WTF Party, after talking to a rep, which took a month, he told me that my account is unblocked and I can go in and correct my info. Try to log in and nope, still blocked with same ****, this has been 4 months. Will not EVER play there. And I played there on and off for many years. The un-anamous BS protects the bots more and obviously this site needs these bots to look busy for their share holders.