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Old 06-16-2017, 10:46 PM   #226
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Re: Five reasons to not play on Party Poker

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That's a hell of a 1st post. My instincts tell me there's some to a lot of truth to it. I would definitely like Party to explain this since once it's decided that overlay blocking for DTD events is ok... then why not any overlay on Party.


Just to confirm is this strictly for DTD sats? Online and/or Live event?
Are you saying that this happens in regular satellites on Party Poker for their MTT's?
Was just able to find this info with a quick google search. Doesn't really give any special details but does give a few key names. Maybe the "boss" can comment or Sylvia?


" I got involved with Bankroll Supply after meeting Paul Jackson, the Bankroll Supply boss, a couple of years ago. Bankroll Supply is a staking company that sponsors more than 60 players for online and live poker, and I got involved in recruiting and helping to mentor a micro stakes group of players. Also, Paul Jackson regarded me as his unpaid personal secretary so I get to do lots of admin too. I eventually took up full sponsorship, and now have a mentor a group of my own. The community and training within Bankroll Supply is excellent and very family like, it’s great been a part of it.”

http://www.partypoker.com/blog/sylvia-hewitt.html
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Old 06-17-2017, 02:04 AM   #227
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Party rep , i think im talking on behalf of all the regs that want to move their action to partypoker ... can you guys please return the hh's on regular tables to normal ? , people are buying software that costs 100usd/month to play @ partypoker anyways so this measure of hidden screennames on the hh's accomplish nothing , it just creates an extra 100$ rake for all the regulars who don't want to be in a big disavantage against 90% of regs or more that are using this software at this very moment and you guys know it.

can you please talk to your superiors about this ? and come back with an answer?
COLETTE. You state you are the only one at Party Poker that wants to post here at 2p2. Patrick spewed that the players are important to Party Poker and that customer service needs to improve emmensly and quickly. Time to hire more conpotant and Poker driven staff?
You are not enforcing the HUD ban and quite frankly I don't see how you can when it's laughably known how easy and widespread they are being used purchased and used. So much so anyone not using one sticks out like a sore thumb. It also seems your rakeback is curtailed to benefit these cheats more and fleece non cheaters. Not intentionally but...are you going to hire smarter peopke to enforce you hollow tos and confiscate their funds and issue the rest of us refunds?
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Old 06-17-2017, 04:08 AM   #228
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Time to hire more conpotant and Poker driven staff?
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Old 06-17-2017, 05:34 AM   #229
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Party rep , i think im talking on behalf of all the regs that want to move their action to partypoker ... can you guys please return the hh's on regular tables to normal ? , people are buying software that costs 100usd/month to play @ partypoker anyways so this measure of hidden screennames on the hh's accomplish nothing , it just creates an extra 100$ rake for all the regulars who don't want to be in a big disavantage against 90% of regs or more that are using this software at this very moment and you guys know it.

can you please talk to your superiors about this ? and come back with an answer?
Our ecology changes made last year will not be "rolled back" or changed
We stick by our decision
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Old 06-17-2017, 05:40 AM   #230
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Party are doing a lot right but they still do some dishonest stuff.

There is a UK staking company called Bankroll Supply.

They have a relationship with Party to put in players in certain sats/tournies to ensure that they run/get the numbers to meet the GTDs.

For this they get enchanced RB and special treatment. For example they can convert tickets into actual cash, which Party do not allow for anyone else.

If you are playing the 22/44 sats then you will be sitting with multiple people backed by BRS. they aren't hard to spot, most of them are UK based and the vast majority of them are just massive fish. they tend to only play the sats/the multiphase tournies and DTD sats too.

Unlike other staking companies, where their aim to to train the players to be the best they can be, BRS don't care that most of their stable is average. it is a numbers game to them hence why the majority of them are only allowed to play these low variance/high volume tournies. A lot of them are on government benefits and they are happy to grind all day for less than minimum wage.

They collude when its on the bubble of the sats too. i mean you cant prove it because there is sat strategy but you see the same names raise/folding or giving walks or folding the BB to 2bb jams. this is of course inevitable when you have 20/30 runner fields and 10 are BRS players. The mega sats are ok still but you want to avoid the smaller ones that run in the day.

Dusk Til Dawn have had a very long relationship with BRS. Whenever an event is looking like overlaying, suddenly a load of busto players turn up to late reg. About a year/18 months ago I was playing an event at DTD where you could buy in direct to day 2 for £2k. They were looking like having a big miss with regards to the guarantee. I was sat down and playing, and suddenly a guy I am friendly with takes the empty seat next to me. He has just ‘bought in’. However 2 days before this same guy borrowed £20 off me for petrol to get home. I haven’t played an event at DTD since. Honest players who pay rake and multiple entries, and any time the overlay looks like its gonna be big the same old punters are put in by BRS for a massively reduced fee.

In contrast Patrick Leonard's stable has a very different approach where if the field sizes are small then the horses don't play, or they keep it to a fair percentage of the field, so that these conflicts don't come up. However, iIt does worry me that they may be sharing hand histories and it would be nice if Patrick could be transparent about this.
BRS can not convert tickets to cash - the tickets rule stand the same as with all players
Neither do they have any special "rake back" deals

If you have any proof/evidence of collusion please share and I can assure you the team will deal with any issues

With regards to any relationship between DTD and BRS I can not comment as I do not work for DTD however I dont believe the statement above is 100% correct
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Old 06-17-2017, 06:12 AM   #231
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Re: Five reasons to not play on Party Poker

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Our ecology changes made last year will not be "rolled back" or changed
We stick by our decision
i think its a bad decision but ok , so then are you going to ban and confiscate funds off all regulars who are playing at this moment ? i believe almost all of them are using this software, or you guys are not going to enforce the changes you made ? because if you dont start banning people you just created an even worse problem allowing cheating
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Old 06-17-2017, 06:15 AM   #232
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BRS can not convert tickets to cash - the tickets rule stand the same as with all players
Neither do they have any special "rake back" deals

If you have any proof/evidence of collusion please share and I can assure you the team will deal with any issues

With regards to any relationship between DTD and BRS I can not comment as I do not work for DTD however I dont believe the statement above is 100% correct
Assuming the distribution of staked players to field size that Trigger1981 posted is anywhere near correct then the onus here should not be on the player to report anything here, you really need to do an independent investigation into the issue. I don't really think there is a problem with a staking group targeting overlay events aggressively but when that group has a mutually beneficial relationship with the sites biggest partner there is an awful lot of potential for a conflict of interest.
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Old 06-17-2017, 06:22 AM   #233
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i think its a bad decision but ok , so then are you going to ban and confiscate funds off all regulars who are playing at this moment ? i believe almost all of them are using this software, or you guys are not going to enforce the changes you made ? because if you dont start banning people you just created an even worse problem allowing cheating
I left Party not long after they brought in the hh changes as I had no faith in their ability to catch bots so when I found out about the hh convertor I knew there was no way they were going to catch anyone using it either. I was contacted by someone recently for a bit of help with something (Notecaddy related) and when I looked at the info they sent me it was obvious they were using the hh convertor. They admitted everyone they know is using it. I'll be honest and admit that even if I was still playing there I don't think I'd report them, they're just doing what the can to ensure they're not at a disadvantage as so many people are using it.

It's a ridiculous situation and Party doesn't care.
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Old 06-17-2017, 06:45 AM   #234
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BRS can not convert tickets to cash - the tickets rule stand the same as with all players
dont know about any of the rest, but this is 100% a lie.
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Old 06-17-2017, 07:40 AM   #235
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Just noticed that there are people openly advertising a hh convertor on 2+2
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Old 06-17-2017, 08:24 AM   #236
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Patrick Leonard - Thanks for replying. A few of your guys, past and present, have always said that you run the most professional stable that is built on fairness and ethics. No one has ever said that to me about BRS, in fact it has always been the opposite.

Sect7G - They mainly played the millions sats/grand prix sats. These were for worldwide events. Also the small field ticket sats, mixed in with some normal tournaments. The better BRS players can play anything they want. Most of BRS players are fish so they were limited to mainly sats.

Party_Rep - You are misinformed. They 100% had a very favourable deal. Maybe they organised this with a different Party employee.

I did a 2p2 search for BRS, and came across these issues. Of course these are disputes but they do back up some of what I have said

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=4046

Makes no sense, seems a bit scam-like. This stable is run by Paul Jackson, all satellites on partypoker have numerous stable players playing on them. Numerous is an understatement. They also have access to your accounts. These are the emails i received.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=4133

You will play just on party poker because we have a super deal with them and I will get rich by you playing for me. "but what about more fishier poker rooms?'' No. "What about PokerStars" No, PokerStars owners are wankers, even more then previous ones, and all the people that play there are wankers. That was your "senior'' member exact words.
So let's be honest here, BRS is just looking to fill in their pockets. Once the satelites deal was so much cut down, coaching was down to minimum. Space for 10 people this week for coaching? Hello, you have 120 players.
"Can we play in more rooms now that satelites on party poker are down to minium?", no because I don't have got RB deals with others rooms and you will not get me as much money.
So farewell you capitalistic wankers.
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Old 06-17-2017, 08:38 AM   #237
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Patrick Leonard - Thanks for replying. A few of your guys, past and present, have always said that you run the most professional stable that is built on fairness and ethics. No one has ever said that to me about BRS, in fact it has always been the opposite.

Sect7G - They mainly played the millions sats/grand prix sats. These were for worldwide events. Also the small field ticket sats, mixed in with some normal tournaments. The better BRS players can play anything they want. Most of BRS players are fish so they were limited to mainly sats.

Party_Rep - You are misinformed. They 100% had a very favourable deal. Maybe they organised this with a different Party employee.

I did a 2p2 search for BRS, and came across these issues. Of course these are disputes but they do back up some of what I have said

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=4046

Makes no sense, seems a bit scam-like. This stable is run by Paul Jackson, all satellites on partypoker have numerous stable players playing on them. Numerous is an understatement. They also have access to your accounts. These are the emails i received.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=4133

You will play just on party poker because we have a super deal with them and I will get rich by you playing for me. "but what about more fishier poker rooms?'' No. "What about PokerStars" No, PokerStars owners are wankers, even more then previous ones, and all the people that play there are wankers. That was your "senior'' member exact words.
So let's be honest here, BRS is just looking to fill in their pockets. Once the satelites deal was so much cut down, coaching was down to minimum. Space for 10 people this week for coaching? Hello, you have 120 players.
"Can we play in more rooms now that satelites on party poker are down to minium?", no because I don't have got RB deals with others rooms and you will not get me as much money.
So farewell you capitalistic wankers.
Oh ****, getting some popcorn now.
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Old 06-17-2017, 08:40 AM   #238
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This is absurd the amount of shannigans being revealed here.

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Old 06-17-2017, 09:47 AM   #239
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Our ecology changes made last year will not be "rolled back" or changed
We stick by our decision
Not trolling because it's great you come in and interact but absolute statements like this are pretty lame. Mistakes are made all the time and maybe one day your company will change its policy. I think they had good intentions but how many terrible things in history have happened because of people's egos and the "We stick by our decision" policies when it's clear it has been a wrong decision.
I'm not a current PP player but am looking for new sites but this thread has moved PP way down the list.
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Old 06-17-2017, 10:05 AM   #240
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Not trolling because it's great you come in and interact but absolute statements like this are pretty lame. Mistakes are made all the time and maybe one day your company will change its policy. I think they had good intentions but how many terrible things in history have happened because of people's egos and the "We stick by our decision" policies when it's clear it has been a wrong decision.
I'm not a current PP player but am looking for new sites but this thread has moved PP way down the list.
You're a reg who is disadvantaged by these changes, of course you will have this opinion. Party Poker will not revert its changes because a few regs disagree with it.
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Old 06-17-2017, 10:13 AM   #241
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There's ~ 0 chance to get caught using converters. It would be "stupid" to not to use one if you are regularly playing party mid-highstakes as "everyone" else are using them.
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Old 06-17-2017, 10:44 AM   #242
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Don't roll it back, just close the loophole people are using to get around them.

Allow regular screenname changes.
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Old 06-17-2017, 11:54 AM   #243
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There's ~ 0 chance to get caught using converters.

Are you sure that Party Poker cannot detect the converter ?
Do you have any proof?
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Old 06-17-2017, 12:27 PM   #244
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Is the converter actually banned software?
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Old 06-17-2017, 02:20 PM   #245
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Is the converter actually banned software?
Can we get a firm answer please ?

It's quite obvious so many regs are using them now.

I know my leaks are being exploited, while I'm playing "straight up"

I'm considering buying the openly advertised software so I'm at a level playing field.

Am I allowed to do so ?
What are the repercussions if I'm not ?

Again, a firm answer would be appreciated.
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Old 06-17-2017, 02:23 PM   #246
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Old 06-17-2017, 02:40 PM   #247
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What action will be taken against accounts using them ?

I've played perhaps 100K hands vs potential regs with converters while enjoying a significant downswing.

Firm answer please from Colette or Patrick please

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Old 06-17-2017, 08:00 PM   #248
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Hmmm I play mid-high stakes cash on party, if people use a convertor I am at a serious disadvantage in information
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Old 06-17-2017, 08:45 PM   #249
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Are you sure that Party Poker cannot detect the converter ?
Do you have any proof?
From the time converters came to this date I'm sure. Anything can happen though.

Does anyone know anybody who has get caught ? No ?

If it's not safe to use converters anymore the word will spread very fast in skype groups but for now my best guess is that 70% high volume regulars nl200-nl1k (I dunno about higher stakes but the pool is smaller anyway) are using converters.

I personally stopped playing because I'm too paranoid violating rules and I don't want to play without.

GJ party lol
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Old 06-17-2017, 09:04 PM   #250
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I've always said that anybody who lays on a site and uses a 3r D party tool that isn't allowed should be permantly banned and all funds confiscated. I will push this internally at Party too and hopefully make a statement on it in the near future.

We already said with the diamond club there will be no more easy pass for guys who want to bum hunt or play predator tactics. They aren't welcome on our site no matter how much they rake.
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