He is like that man who works for 35 years in the same company hating every single day he works. Still he goes there every single day. He just doesn't understand that leaving is an option allso.

Why do you still play there if you hate it so much? The mind boggles.

Especially given that apparently he can't cashout. He was posting about that issue in a few threads.

Of course, I'm sure what actually happened is that it was resolved but he couldn't be bothered to update the thread, as his only posts are bitching about the site that is so terrible that he keeps playing there.

Orrrrrrrrr he's completely making things up

I have no ****ing words

Continue only on Stars and will see the future of online poker.

So a team pro, who was accused of angle shooting live, runs a stable on the site he is employed by, and plays on? Has special access analyzing hand histories and to hand history databases.

Is ultimate bet hiring? lol

not implying any wrong doing but man thats f’ up Party Poker

CHOMP

The way I read that post from pads is that he assists pp security by looking at hh's of suspect players. Do you really think Party Poker is allowing him to go through their database any time he wants to for personal gain?

All you do is bash on them, maybe you should give it a rest? I notice Collette doesnt even acknowledge your posts, I wonder why....

This is what i wrote a few days back

This. Once again quite unbelievable and sketchy a player, a sponsored player at that, is allowed to peek at other player's hand histories on that very site!
That's the state of online poker and of poker site's security departments.

Governments and legislations: Do everyone a favor and legalize and regulate online gambling for good.

I hope Party Poker crashes and burns! Years ago I played on their site in mid sized games. I tried using a calculator device one time to help me figure pot odds (I was playing in a $2,000 buy-in PLO game). That was the only time i used it! I found it too cumbersome and time consuming to rely on. I got a warning from PP about using a bot and I told them what the device was and that I wasn't using it any more. The next time I played in that game I got another warning about using a bot, which was not the case.

A couple of days later I went online and found my account was closed. I contacted customer support and was told it was because I was using a bot. I went back and forth with several e-mails, asking them to refund my money. Ultimately they refused and I was out over 5K! They also closed my account on Empire Poker for another thousand or so. PP stole this money from me and I had no recourse! After that I was done with online poker.

So zoom cash game traffic is dead today at 1/2 and above - this time however the update has affected HUDs as well as bots so it would be extremely difficult to distinguish legitimate players not playing today from illegitimate ones.

You'd expect a lot of the HUD players to play today anyhow though as it will be more rec heavy than usual.

Decided to double post here since got no information where to complain etc. in main PartyPoker topic and it got buried quickly:

As I want to file a complaint and official claim against PartyPoker (in MTT poker collusion case, which wasn't really resolved nor compensated at satisfied manner) what is right and best method to do it as non-UK, non-licensed country player to make official claim? Party's own information about licenses is super messy: https://www.partypoker.com/about-us.html

They offer eCOGRA for meditation on their website, but what I have read it's quite useless from player perspective: slow and generally favors companies in complaints when they even decide to take complaint under investigation + prevents players from taking other action while it is under investigation. Also as in mainly casino world I don't trust they have good enough understanding of poker anyways to offer legit service. As UK player it's pretty clear UKGC is the way, but likely not for anyone else. So it is Gibraltar Gaming Commission I should take contact?

If anyone has had any dealings with these officials it would be super helpful to get some advice / experiences. I don't really know where to start and I have been around for long time. I guess it stops lots of people even making credible complaints forward to gambling regulators when it's hard to even find where to file complaint effectively.

And yeah, it was this case: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...poker-1693383/

FarseerFinland,

I contacted the Gibraltar regulator about this in November last year. On 3 November, they wrote to me:
On 22 November, I sent a follow-up email seeking the promised follow-up, but I received no response to my mail. I didn't pursue it because I didn't really have much motivation at the time.

Around the same time, I initially contacted the UK Gambling Commission, and they eventually said this when I chased them up on 22 November:

Since you say you're not in the UK, it is likely that you're playing under the Gibraltar regulator license. Contact details for the Gibraltar regulator is available online here: https://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/new/remote-gambling


My broad perception is that these regulators mean well, but are unlikely to be very well equipped to respond to concerns from consumers in a manner that you might wish - you're likely to need to expect basic replies to your emails in a week or so, and that you will need to chase them up (including by phone, maybe visiting in person) if you want to have them take you seriously and do much towards what you want.

Thanks Josem.

Looks quite worrying but not surprising, demoralizing for sure. Basically poker sites in these cases are acting as judge, jury and executioner. Gotta think how to follow up, but PartyPoker is in super sorry shape indeed when it comes to security. Only positive note that they did after all admit that there were clear collusion, but that's not much considering how quickly they just swept this incident under the carpent with no real refunds.

Party doesn't even come close to Stars when it comes to acting as the executioner. Guilty or innocent, give them a reason (or someone else does) and your funds will be gone and theyl stop answering your emails.

WTF, this is an example of regulated online poker? This is some amateur hour stuff. wow

Since when they hired Fedor? What did he do so far? Nothing.

And yes, Pads Angle Shooter and his stupid stable should be kicked out asap.

http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk...customers.aspx

UKGC got a £7.8 million quid fine from 888 and it's the only thing they've done in the last couple of years. They seem more concerned with predatory sportsbooks and casinos then anything going on in poker

Wow, looked really forward to see PP getting bigger and break open the quasi monopol of PS....

wanted to grind the Spins on PP, after hours of reading this thread im actually quite concerned, especially about the bot situation...im a noob and not sure if you guys/girls tend to really exaggerate or if the games (in my case Spins) are really so bots infested !!!!

It would be nice if some high volume Spin grinders on PP (if there are any ? except Bots ;-) could shine some light on this matter...

I played a few thousend Spins on PS and PP and had way better results on PS, i thought that the cause may be the new rake system on PP and therefore more REGS playing them, or maybe a smaller Playerpool with more REGS then RECS, or just variance or the not so good (****ty) software....but i surely didnt thought about BOTS....!!!

If thats really the case i gladly keep playing on PS (even if i dont like their new direction) even without Rakeback.....i want play poker against humans and not some AI...

Any more Tips how to spot Bots?

Confused and paranoid after so much info?/fake news?....

Hope for some views/opinions from Spinregs.....thanks

Look in this thread. You’ll notice Party reps and team pros steer far clear of this thread since there previous dialogue has proven transparent and bunk

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...1/index32.html

chomp, i read hole thread for hours....your comments are IMO not very helpfull and your tone very aggressive, constructive criticism is apparently not your thing, sry no offense, but i need some real answers and ranting alone doesnt help anyone, i understand that officals loose interest on a discussion when you treat them like scum.....

please some answers from serious ppl

Party drops the ball when it goes to security. This is also matter of the size. Like Stars are a lot bigger so it is easier for them to have a reasonably big security team.

To give you an example I got lately refund from Party from my play vs cheaters not sure if they were bots or they were using some illegal software.
The point is I haven't been playing on Party for 8 months at least? So if you have bots/cheaters running undisturbed for so many months and then they reimburse players like 2-3$ each it is obvious we have problem as this is super profitable for all the cheaters to play. Even if they get caught it will take many months before it happens. Not to mention that profitable for Party too as they didn't refund us the rake part only what the bots/cheaters still had in their accounts.


There are bunch of other problems on Party tbh. So proceed with caution . It is honestly hard to say if they do it on purpose or are just negligent but the amount of time me and others reported cheating with no reaction from Party is mindbogling.

Like they make some decision (like anonymizing hand history for cash games) and are incapable to police the games so suddenly you are either cheating or you need to stop playing.

Not to mention their not so clear relationships with stables owners especially for MTTs. Like Pleno is probably the only person in the world that thinks that there is no conflict of interest in him working for Party and being co owner of one of the biggest MTTs stables.

Chomp. Do yourself and everyone else a favour and just delete your account already. Literally no one cares (including all the reps) about what you have to say.


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