If Party Poker crashed and burned it wouldn't bother me. Several years ago (pre Black Friday) they shut down my account and stole all my money (over 8K)! They claimed it was because I was using a bot (UNTRUE). I had briefly used a program that figured odds for me and found it unworkable and too time consuming so I quit using it. It did remain unused on my computer and yet I continued to be warned to stop using it and I kept telling them that I wasn't (TRUE). Even after I deleted it the warnings continued.

Finally one day when I went online to play there was no money in my account. I contacted their support and was told I was warned about using a bot to play and I told them I had NEVER used a bot. I explained to them exactly what had transpired. After several e-mails back and forth they would no longer communicate with me and I was sh-t out of luck. There was no where or no one I could turn to for help. There is no recourse if a site like Party Party takes your money!

What year was all this suppose to take place again mr stable? The only thing you’ve actually done os sogn Fedor Holtz who os a retired pro who bought in the high roller exclusive tournaments and the everyday Joe has no effin clue who this is. Bots tun some of your games, your support and security is virtually the same. Refunds for playing in colluded games don’t exist. I’ve seen zero progress.


Keep the faith

did u consider removing double or nothing sngs? apart from being terrible poker, it's probably the easiest format for collusion and is canibalising regular sngs. with all the influx of stars regs u could probably have stable sng economy up to 50$, maybe even 100 if things continue going your way with stars selfdestructing.

Why do you think that removing one format of sngs will make other games running better? Do you think that the don bots will move to the regular sngs? That doesn't make any sense that they are cannibalising regular games. One would think you'll be happy that the bots have own games to run.

SO annoying playing hu with all these glitch/bug issues

Another reason: Games are getting more and more bot infested everyday. I'm playing STT SNG's and at every table i'm playing there are like 3 to 4 or even more bot players, not to mention cash and MTT's. Players where already reporting these bot problems for eternity and absolutely nothing was done to date about this problem. This is starting to be a farce.

i'm just curious, as a micro stake player how do i recognize a bot? i don't use any tracking software to track stats, but i have seen some very weird players that run insane amount of volume and everytime i look into my hands i played against them they make the exact decision pio suggests. but other than that i have no evidence

Recreational players don't recognize bot players nearly as much as regs do mostly because they don't know the game well and tend to play just for fun and they also don't own a hud. I recognize them mostly because of the hud.

What to look out if you don't use a hud is, if you see a player shove around 15bb in late position with complete garbage hand, they resteal any two cards on you if you're opening a decent amount even if you open from early position. I have seen multiple times when i opened even from UTG and the suspected bot player is in the big blind he was reshoving on me with J3suited and ****. There are also some postflop clues, let's say you open from early position and the bot flats from the big blind and the flop comes down Axx, he might just lead into you with Ax hand or even a set instead of letting you continuation bet. The majority of these players are Russian, some Ukrainian and also Belarus. These are mostly applicable in SNG's i don't know for cash and MTT's because i play them very rarely.

These are just some clues, but you really just have to play a lot and preferably use a hud, you will recognize a bot easily with just some poker playing experience.

based on everything you just said, i'm 99% sure i have identified several bots as well then.
they even resteal with very short stacks behind them 3 handed when i minraise the button they just jam from the sb with super trash hands when the bb has barely any chips left.

inheadphones
Zhelsef
a7ewka

i even suspect number 2 and 3 to be the same bot, they are never ever in the same games and yet run insane volume.

I recognize inheadphones and i also suspect he's a bot. So i would say your bot spotting is spot on. Also look out for players that raise and fold to a reshove with less than 10bb stack a lot, that is also telling of a bot. I had a suspected bot raise fold on me on the bubble multiple times(he was second in chips and i was chip leader) and in the end he raise folded off of 6bb lol. Human players just don't do that, especially if they are playing with me a lot, because they know i will reshove in that situation a lot and would adjust their play.

Is this a parody? Or are you serious?

If you look at his name, you have your answer.

I would say the current level of bot infestation that partypoker is sporting is definitely serious to say the least lol and everything i said is completely true for their bots. They behave in exactly the manner i described. Even you would be able to spot the bots on partypoker sng's just by reading my post 100% guaranteed.

1. They 3bet vs co, btn reg open almost 100% from big blind and even in the small blind.
2 They raise/fold repeatedly off of 10bb stack or less even on the bubble against other regs when the stacks dictate that they will be reshoving a lot on them(you need to know icm and sng mechanics in general).
3. They play 22/20ish style which is pretty aggressive for 9 man.
4. They shove garbage with around 15bb effective from hj or later positions and i think in right circumstances this could be even good because they have so much fold equity on players behind.
5. Very high btn steal around 50% some even over 60%.
6. They are mostly Russian, some Ukrainian and also Belarus.

And there you have it. There is a very good chance you will be able to detect a bot in partypoker sng's just by following this guideline.
So, what do you think? Serious or not?

Hi everyone,

I'm looking to back some bots on Party on a 50/50 make up deal for SNGs up to $100.

Criteria:

You must be hard working and willing to put in the volume.
You must provide me with at least 3 references...... from other bots.
You must demonstrate a willingness to develop your artificial intelligence.
You must not have a soul.
If you prove yourself in the first 6 months I will also consider backing you for live MTTs.
PM me if interested and we can Skype.

Eastern Europeans only considered (Slavic preferred)

No time wasters.

;-)

Who is paying for the losses of the bots playing this style? They should trace the stream of deposits to find out who the bot king is.

They have mostly slightly losing brakeevenish to slightly winning ROI from what i have seen, but what exactly makes you think they should be massively losing? For instance not bragging or anything i'm playing 27/23 style which is really lag for turbo STT's and couple of years ago everyone would believe i can't possibly be a winning player with a loose style like that, but my ROI over 10k games is 14% true ROI possibly even bigger since i have been running pretty **** over last couple of 1000 games.

I now no longer think that you are deliberately making fun of people who believe there are bots. I now believe that you are serious in your beliefs, even if they're misguided.

There's no reason that a particular play style would be correlated with being a bot. They have all the play choices available to them that a human does.

While, of course, it is possible to program a bot to behave as you describe, it is also possible to program a bot to not behave as you describe.

If you have a genuine suspicion, then you should just report it to PartyPoker, who will be able to make a much better judgment on this issue than you can.

Partypoker software compared to Stars 10 years ago, Stars easily wins.

Instead of improving their software they are signing pro after pro, where nobody gives a fu**. This whole pro thing did not work out, if you are not signing a Phil Ivey or DNEG with huge influence and world-wide reach. No they are signing a German pimple nerd to put him into 100ks. Congratulations Partypoker.

Oh well I forget, they also hired Mr. Stable, without thinking that stables are making poker more and more tougher and recreationals losing their interest. Congratulations Partypoker, you suck.

There is no way a human regular player that has played over 20k hands with me will be raise/folding 10bb or sub 10bb stack on the bubble multiple times in a row in those spots till he only has 5 or 4bb left, let alone multiple human regs. Players who do that match the profile i described very well. I don't think there is any other explanation but the obvious that those are indeed bots simply because of their persistence in their plays. Human player adapts his game way more quickly than a bot seems capable of. And based on the similarity of their stats it looks like these bots come from the same few distributors or maybe even one.

I have already reported a couple of these players and they were gone for a few days but have returned since. Others have reported them as well with similar results. And now i'm seeing more and more of these types of player every day. There has to be a good 30% of bots to humans ratio right now in these games FFS and it looks like it might be even worse in the future. Party is either incapable of taking care of the problem or simply doesn't care.

you should check their screennames, Ive learn from 2p2 investigators that botters are known for making multiple accounts with similar screennames (possibly just one letter changed), usually with the word "bot" somewhere in there

LOL might as well, it's not like party would take action even if it was right in their face.

I've seen this written a few times and I think it's one of the dumbest takes around. Why must it be one or the other? Do you not think it's possible they work software development at the same as building a stable of Pros?

Obviously a sponsorship contract negotiation is a hell of a lot quicker than developing software, so show some ****ing patience.

Come on, hire some coders and you will have a software in two months. Ask community what they need. Nobody wants sponsored poker pros. They are a pain in the ass.

This.

Bad software is their tradmark tho, #1 worst software in the bizzzz!!!!!!