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I did a cursory google search of poker "hand range" with a specified custom date range and this is the earliest citation I found. FYI, the quotes in the search term indicate a literal phrase that must be present to be considered a match. It's in French and dated 11/30/1999:

Original French:
Dans cette situation, une seule main, QJ, à une chance sur deux de s’imposer contre une seule des mains de la hand range d’un tight raiser, TT. De ce fait, un bon joueur doit avoir la discipline de ne pas rentrer sans avoir au moins {JJ, AKs, AKo}

Translated to English by Google:
In this situation, only one hand, QJ, has a 50/50 chance of winning against just one hand in a tight raiser's hand range, TT. Therefore, a good player must have the discipline not to return without having at least {JJ, AKs, AKo}

Source: https://www.ruedesjoueurs.com/poker/...s-preflop.html

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The next earliest citation I found searching for poker "range of hands" is this cardplayer article from 12/31/1991:

If he reraises, then at least I can put him on a range of hands such as a draw, two pair, set, etc.

Source: https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-new...tilt-1k-monday

Hi zeros:

I think that article is 1999, not 1991.

Also, we don't allow Cardplayer to repost our old articles. So, that's why you don't see my article from 10 years earlier where the word "range" was used on cardplayer.com.

Best wishes,
Mason

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01-15-2022 , 12:34 PM

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paranoidAndroid

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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth

Hi Everyone:

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I bolded the word "range" because this is the first time I believe the word "range" appeared in the poker literature used this way. I'm wondering if anyone knows of an earlier example.

Best wishes,
Mason

Nesmith Ankeny 'Poker Strategy. Winning with game theory' published 1981.

P31 "Let us give the more important set of probabilities when you know only the range of an opponent's hand. "

It's an amazing book and way ahead of its time.

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01-15-2022 , 07:11 PM

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Escroc_Officiel

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so sad for MM

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01-15-2022 , 07:44 PM

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Mason Malmuth

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Originally Posted by paranoidAndroid

That was a good book and it was written by an incredibly smart person. Once, many years ago, I got to meet the Nesmith Ankeny in The Mirage Poker Room. He was playing in a limit hold 'em game and I was introduced to him. Also, David Sklansky knew him well.

Best wishes
Mason

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01-15-2022 , 10:49 PM

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All-inMcLovin

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Rest in Peace Poker Genius and mathematician Nesmith Ankeny.

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01-16-2022 , 10:40 PM

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thethethe

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Originally Posted by Reggie Steer

Hellmuth was 20 years ahead of the GTO crowd.

Made famous by the quote, 'If I weren't for ranges, I'd win them all'

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01-17-2022 , 11:07 PM

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doc43

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I would be curious if Mike Caro ever used the word or something similar.

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01-18-2022 , 07:37 AM

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paranoidAndroid

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Originally Posted by doc43

I would be curious if Mike Caro ever used the word or something similar.

Also Super/System was published in 1979 with Caro included.
I have a newer edition but not sure I want to search through the whole book.

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01-19-2022 , 11:33 AM

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Yes, it is, and for that reason Mason will soon join Eli Elezra in the Poker Hall of Fame.

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01-19-2022 , 11:00 PM

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rakemeplz

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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth

I kind of suspect its not even from 1999, if you look at it closely. It's also odd that it was posted on dec.31/99. I think Lauren Kling is talking about some tournament from 2010.

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01-20-2022 , 06:43 PM

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So basically we’re looking for the first time someone put someone else on multiple hands rather than AK . If masons example of sklanski holds I’m sure I could fin something in super system that nods to range , I’m guessing it first appeared in here forums back when people made money in poker .

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01-23-2022 , 12:32 PM

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paranoidAndroid

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Originally Posted by fishfood69er

The first time 'range' was discussed in a book as a concept.

Ankeny did in 1981.

Super/System would predate that if you can find an example.

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01-23-2022 , 03:42 PM

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David Sklansky

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Holdem Poker copyright 1976. Reading Hands chapter. First page. "Do not put undue emphasis on your opinion of an opponent's hand. ............Instead, you must put a player on a few different possible hands with varying degrees of probability for each of these hands."

I didn't happen to use the word "range" but it's essentially the same thing. Actually, my characterization is more accurate because if you only consider range, different possible opposing hands vary in frequency strictly due to card combinations. The way I phrased it takes into account that some opposing hands may only be played some of the time.

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01-23-2022 , 07:47 PM

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Mike Haven

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"Poker. The Nation's Most Fascinating Card Game."

Published by The United States Playing Card Company, Cincinnati, Ohio, USA.

Copyright 1950.

Albert H. Morehead, Editor.

Chapter: Poker Strategy:

... The ingredients of skill are: Observation of the other players, and judgment of what hands prompt the bets they make; ...

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