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07-21-2019 , 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ziggyzaooo
Hand 3 wtff
It was quite a bit different.

Seat 1: Budd (10000 in chips)
Seat 2: Eddie (10000 in chips)
Seat 3: Bill (10000 in chips)
Seat 4: Pluribus (10000 in chips)
Seat 5: MrWhite (10000 in chips)
Seat 6: Gogo (10000 in chips)
Budd: posts small blind 50
Eddie: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Budd [3d Kd]
Dealt to Eddie [5h Qh]
Dealt to Bill [Ah 3c]
Dealt to Pluribus [Jd Jh]
Dealt to MrWhite [2s 8c]
Dealt to Gogo [8h 6s]
Bill: folds
Pluribus: raises 100 to 200
MrWhite: folds
Gogo: folds
Budd: folds
Eddie: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [4h 4s 2h]
Eddie: checks
Pluribus: bets 225
Eddie: raises 375 to 600
Pluribus: calls 375
*** TURN *** [4h 4s 2h] [7c]
Eddie: bets 2000
Pluribus: calls 2000
*** RIVER *** [4h 4s 2h] [7c] [Kh]
Eddie: bets 1650
Pluribus: raises 5550 to 7200 and is all-in
Eddie: calls 5550 and is all-in
*** SHOWDOWN ***
Eddie: shows [5h Qh]
Eddie collected 20050.0 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 20050 | Rake 0
Board [4h 4s 2h 7c Kh]
Seat 2: Eddie showed [5h Qh] and won (20050.0)
Seat 4: Pluribus showed [Jd Jh] and lost
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07-21-2019 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Cassim
It was quite a bit different.

Seat 1: Budd (10000 in chips)
Seat 2: Eddie (10000 in chips)
Seat 3: Bill (10000 in chips)
Seat 4: Pluribus (10000 in chips)
Seat 5: MrWhite (10000 in chips)
Seat 6: Gogo (10000 in chips)
Budd: posts small blind 50
Eddie: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Budd [3d Kd]
Dealt to Eddie [5h Qh]
Dealt to Bill [Ah 3c]
Dealt to Pluribus [Jd Jh]
Dealt to MrWhite [2s 8c]
Dealt to Gogo [8h 6s]
Bill: folds
Pluribus: raises 100 to 200
MrWhite: folds
Gogo: folds
Budd: folds
Eddie: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [4h 4s 2h]
Eddie: checks
Pluribus: bets 225
Eddie: raises 375 to 600
Pluribus: calls 375
*** TURN *** [4h 4s 2h] [7c]
Eddie: bets 2000
Pluribus: calls 2000
*** RIVER *** [4h 4s 2h] [7c] [Kh]
Eddie: bets 1650
Pluribus: raises 5550 to 7200 and is all-in
Eddie: calls 5550 and is all-in
*** SHOWDOWN ***
Eddie: shows [5h Qh]
Eddie collected 20050.0 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 20050 | Rake 0
Board [4h 4s 2h 7c Kh]
Seat 2: Eddie showed [5h Qh] and won (20050.0)
Seat 4: Pluribus showed [Jd Jh] and lost
Thats strange... where did you get this "version" of the hand history, and why is it different than the raw hand histories that were uploaded earlier?
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07-21-2019 , 11:35 AM
because some dude earlier converted them all and posted them

so yeah mercifulzidane, you don't want this bot at your tables
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07-21-2019 , 12:52 PM
Yup, my mistake, I was reading them incorrectly - the method they use to express bet/potsize in the raw histories is very weird. This bot is a monster
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07-21-2019 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
because some dude earlier converted them all and posted them

so yeah mercifulzidane, you don't want this bot at your tables
I dont know if this is true , how many hands vs who is a question , also now that they would have HHs on the bot to see whats going on there could be exploits. also its still only half way there because of fixed bet sizing and stack sizes.

hopefully joey could get linus on his podcasts to see what he thinks after HHs are out.
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07-26-2019 , 04:54 AM
I really enjoyed this video



this is pretty great, no frills poker channel, like Doug Polk but without the pandering to teens (I love you Doug, but honestly wish you'd separate your content into simply discussing hands which is incredible and the general chatter, which can be amusing at times but I'm just there for the hands)
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07-26-2019 , 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by AaronStefan00
This doesn’t seem like any sort of consequential, valuable, advancement in AI to me. PokerSnowie probably could have beat top pros in a 6max NL match in a more convincing way, and could’ve done so for years now.

Apparently this Noam guy is supposed to be a respected researcher, I’m sure he’s a smart guy. But this just seems like a bunch of guys are incentivized to market themselves as genius AI researchers doing valuable, productive work, by being the guys that created “the FIRST AI to BEAT the TOP POKER PROS” when really they didn’t do anything genius, or productive, or valuable, at all. They did a rehashed version of PokerSnowie that lost 700bb over a small sample against some mediocre players and Linus.

Certainly doesn’t seem like any sort of new, consequential, AI advancement. Just seems like nerds marketing themselves as productive AI researchers for their own personal gain while doing nothing of actual value. They saw an opportunity to “conquer the prestigious milestone of beating humans in a multiplayer hidden information game” and did it in a half assed, super unconvincing way lol.
I agree. I don't see anything crazy in this. I'd be surprised If computer couldn't beat human today.
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07-26-2019 , 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by andr3w321
I downloaded PT4 trial and had a look. I think it's pretty clear the best players are Budd, MrBlue and Eddie. Linus could be any of these three I think.

Cbet flop % by players
Budd 54.5%
MrBlue 46.7%
Eddie 61%
Pluribus 53.7%

There's no way you can dismiss Budd as Linus based on this stat alone.
Budd was Anthony Gregg
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09-09-2019 , 02:25 PM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/compute...ly-11562873541

Can anyone access this article?

In the google search under the link the brief description mentions a hand where pluribus bets $2,400 and the only human left remaining is Linus. Maybe someone can line up this HH to figure out who Linus was.
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09-12-2019 , 06:01 AM
Nice, this shows exactly how not to go about forecasting. The interpretation of the results part is pure gold...

Juk
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09-12-2019 , 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by jukofyork
Nice, this shows exactly how not to go about forecasting. The interpretation of the results part is pure gold...

Juk
I'm a noob at modern AI but interested in it and am learning more. Last time had any direct experience was programming LISP (yeah im old)

Could you elaborate?
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09-12-2019 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by PTLou
Could you elaborate?
1. He says he has a "big dataset" containing "60 thousand different data points" when actually he has tiny dataset containing 2667 data points (days) with 37 features per day...

2. He then forgoes trying any simple models and jumps right in there with a "Deep Learning Model" with millions (billions?) of tunable parameters:

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Input layer (takes data of shape n samples x 50 x 37)
Bidirectional LSTM layer (returns a sequence, 100 cells)
Dropout layer (20% dropout — reduces overfitting)
Bidirectional LSTM layer (returns a sequence, 100 cells)
Dropout layer (20% dropout — reduces overfitting)
Bidirectional LSTM layer (doesn’t return a sequence, 50 cells)
Output layer (returns the predicted next day price of Bitcoin)
3. He then claims his model has a high directional accuracy, without any reference to a baseline model of "always predict up", etc (and just looking at the graph it's just been trending upwards the whole way anyway lol...).

4. He then proceeds to show a graph that looks like the predicted price has no real correlation with the actual price, but just skips over this troubling revelation without actually bothering to measure the correlation anyway...

5. He then follows this up with another graph purporting to show how well his model follows the price; when in actual fact it looks like it's mostly just predicting "tomorrows price = today's price + some random noise"...

6. Then finally concludes:

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What does this mean?
I created a machine learning model that was able to predict cryptocurrency models with reasonably high accuracy by finding intricate patterns in highly complex data. This shows how powerful machine learning is and how it has a huge variety of applications. Using this model itself on cryptocurrency would allow people to make a lot of profits by letting them buying and selling cryptocurrencies at predicted times.
In general just avoid anything on medium.com (and towardsdatascience.com), as the articles are either just total trash like this or copy-and-pasted beginner tutorials put up by people hoping to add something to their resume.

But, if you are actually interested in forecasting then there is a really good (free) book available here: Forecasting: Principles and Practice.

Juk
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09-12-2019 , 04:22 PM
Interesting article I found today relevant to this thread:

Superhuman AI Bots Pose a Threat to Online Poker Firms, Morgan Stanley Says

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While online gaming firms like The Stars Group, GVC Holdings Plc and Playtech Plc have safeguards in place to protect against bots, a loss of player confidence and ultimately revenue from a proliferation of AI bots are “plausible risks,” Young said. The broker trimmed price targets for all three stocks, with Stars the most exposed to online poker.
Juk
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03-06-2023 , 07:33 PM
What's up guys

Haven't been around online poker in years and wanted to pick it back up as a fun hobby.
I came across an article about Pluribus a Poker AI built by a University in partnership with Facebook AI. This AI was able to beat 5 pros in a 6man game which I thought was pretty cool and scary. This happened back in 2019 so i'm a little late to the party but I wanted to see what some of you think. What kind of changes have you guys seen in the online landscape since 2019? Is this the end of online poker? Does it make any of you feel like it's all pointless specifically any of you who grind for a living?
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03-06-2023 , 08:00 PM
Computers have been able to play better than humans since solvers first started being developed almost 10 years ago now. People have learned a lot from how computers play the game and it forms the foundation of not just top players but any how any decently skilled players view poker strategy these days. It's the same thing with chess and engines they call them there instead of solvers in poker
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03-06-2023 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by kvnd
Computers have been able to play better than humans since solvers first started being developed almost 10 years ago now. People have learned a lot from how computers play the game and it forms the foundation of not just top players but any how any decently skilled players view poker strategy these days. It's the same thing with chess and engines they call them there instead of solvers in poker
Right, but the idea of playing up against one online feels hopeless because obviously like you said computers play better than humans so even the top players simply can't compete against AI. How would you even know if you're up against one?
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03-06-2023 , 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by MCAChiTown

Thank you!
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03-07-2023 , 01:48 AM
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03-07-2023 , 06:25 AM
poker is dead~
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03-07-2023 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jukofyork
Interesting article I found today relevant to this thread:

Superhuman AI Bots Pose a Threat to Online Poker Firms, Morgan Stanley Says



Juk
The 3 year old article is behind a subscriber wall, but the part that was visible seemed less than convincing.

Wtf is a "superhuman" a.i bot, anyway ?
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