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12-26-2021 , 09:14 PM

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two sides of pads

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12-26-2021 , 09:42 PM

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Doesn't seem pretty close at all once he minraises, sees a 3.5x jam and both blinds fold.

Agree with Fedor.

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12-26-2021 , 10:03 PM

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PTLou

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25 posts and not one person asks who the the eff is fedor holz?

2+2 was better when Mason owned it

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12-26-2021 , 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by PTLou

25 posts and not one person asks who the the eff is fedor holz?

2+2 was better when Mason owned it

Some German kid who revolutionized tanking.. ran hot for a few years and than did everything he possibly could to make poker harder for the rest of us....

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12-27-2021 , 04:07 AM

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Fedor based

Verstuurd vanaf mijn SM-G781B met Tapatalk

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12-27-2021 , 06:42 AM

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Obvious colluding, but wouldn't get as much traction. If he folded AK, QQ+, that would become more discussed topic.

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12-27-2021 , 08:46 AM

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I dont think swapping action should even be legal. Its kind naive to think that pros wont change their strategy when they play vs players that they swap with.

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12-27-2021 , 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Berba21

Obvious colluding, but wouldn't get as much traction. If he folded AK, QQ+, that would become more discussed topic.

This. Like, it's obvious but not obvious enough.

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12-27-2021 , 01:28 PM

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Just in case anybody is wondering, the payouts were as follows:

1. $184.320
2. $133.120
3. $99.328
4. $74.240

Maybe somebody can do a quick calculation as to what that fold was worth to selouan.

Fun fact: he busted in 4th anyway.

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12-27-2021 , 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by PTLou

25 posts and not one person asks who the the eff is fedor holz?

2+2 was better when Mason owned it

U obviously know who f holz is

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12-27-2021 , 04:31 PM

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DiamondsOnMyNeck

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Brazilians lmao

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12-27-2021 , 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dingdongdonkey

Sure. If you let HJ have open jams, AJo call is +$3125. If HJ has no open jams, call AJo is +$2997. In both sims HJ is calling A9o. It's not that close, but it's also not a fist pump call I guess. Now for math with their exact hands,

ICM Value if HJ folds:

HJ: $126,226
BU: $95,797

ICM Value if HJ calls:

HJ: $136,157
BU: $68,832

So if they share a bankroll, the fold was about +$17k. Obviously in reality its a bit different because seiji loses the CL if he calls and loses.

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12-27-2021 , 07:19 PM

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vamooo

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12-27-2021 , 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93

I dont think swapping action should even be legal. Its kind naive to think that pros wont change their strategy when they play vs players that they swap with.

The history of online poker is partly a history of cheating becoming standard.

HUDs, sharing hand histories, a bunch of pros sharing bankroll against the rich guy... explain these things to a non-poker person and 9/10 will say they're more or less cheating.

With so much money to be made, of course people will do anything to get an edge and it's almost impossible to stop. So I guess one day online poker will be kind of like battlebots with collusion legal and part of the strat.

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12-28-2021 , 12:15 AM

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Wildspoke

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This has been going on forever.
It's just their turn.

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12-28-2021 , 12:26 AM

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PTLou

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Originally Posted by ProblemPlaya

U obviously know who f holz is

obv I was donking around.

dude goes on god mode heater of lifetime and locks this up? The only thing he can say to anything that happens to him in poker world is Thank You , I appreciate all that you have given me. anything outside of that just makes him sound like a little whiny beatch
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12-28-2021 , 05:11 PM

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12-28-2021 , 05:35 PM

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Fedor's original tweet and follow up are nearly as measured as you can possibly get.

He never claimed to have anything other than a single hand history and simply stated his opinion based on that single hand history.

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12-28-2021 , 05:52 PM

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This also happened after the post

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12-29-2021 , 01:02 AM

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Berba21

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This Patrick guy seems out of line. Fedor was just trying to bring awareness to this spot so that it brings further investigation which he succeeded in. He doesn't directly accuse the players in hand for cheating.

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12-29-2021 , 10:30 AM

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PTLou

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Originally Posted by Berba21

He doesn't directly accuse the players in hand for cheating.

Huh? Maybe a language translation issue? cuz yeah that's exactly what he did.

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12-30-2021 , 02:08 AM

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unpleasant situation

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12-30-2021 , 09:42 AM

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Toupee Jay

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Would two players collude playing poker online? That's like asking if everyone reading this is breathing!

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12-30-2021 , 12:29 PM

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Selouan recently removed his P5 screen names. Not saying its an implication of guilt but pretty suspicious timing just after having been accused.

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12-30-2021 , 01:04 PM

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QuinnMallory

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Selouan screen-shotted the 9tales chat as evidence they werent colluding. Both Pvigar and Yuri Martins commented on the fold being strange but in the group chat it appears they didn´t know what each other had. That said, it doesn´t necessarily mean they weren´t chatting privately elsewhere.

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