https://mobile.twitter.com/CrownUpGu...NE54LAZfJvZ0Yg

AJ folded. Brazilian HS reg folds to another brazilian HS reg.


Thoughts about this?

I've seen this on Twitter all day, but I'm too lazy to really look into it.

So Player A shoved his last 7 BB with A7 or A6 and Player B in the BB folds AJ?
And they're buddies?

AJ player had around 25 BB

I mean like Hellmuth would fold QQ here 50% of the time...

Player A raises to 2 BB with AJ
Player B shoves last 7,1 BB with A9
Player A folds

The Brazilians are claiming it's just an innocent monster blunder, which should be easy to prove with HHS of errors of similiar magnitude and most importantly direction that they've made in similiar spots

without making a judgment on whether these guys colluded, one HH is insufficient alone to prove anything.

ICM makes people play weird; maybe the original raiser leveled himself or maybe he just made a mistake.

either way absolutely nothing should be done on the basis of a single hand, it’s kind of unfair to assume bc they’re part of the same poker club that they’d soft play each other.

american and euro regs stake / swap %s all the time of tournaments they’re in together, and the high roller scene seems like a mess where everyone but the fish have massive % of each other. i’m sure they wouldn’t like it if accused of soft play, i’ll give the brazilians benefit of the doubt for now

If its not cheating then it looks very bad for their Highstakes group!! who wants to get coached by them?

lol brazilians

Some might'd say he missclicked (lol), I guess 888 will check entire hhs of both players and betting time patterns, in case player A missclicked (again lol).

How many times every player miss clicked in their career. I miss clicked in my life so many times. Gosh, quads, Aces, nuts straight check backed vs biggest whale on the river at NoseBleeds etc. 1 hand proves nothing.

Seems like collusion.

Any semi competent player opens AJ in that spot with the intention of calling off the short stacks.

Youre at a final table and you misclick an obviously snap call spot where you are likely a huge favourite with thousands of dollars in ICM value... rightttttttttttttttttt

Misclick lmfao

Hey guys, collusion also seems to be very bad on Ignition / Global ~5/10 cash , look up the global florida house post. insane weird lines happening daily. On ignition there have been instances of three regs playing almost no hands postflop to avoid rake to wait for a 4th player. There have been stories of guys having three computers in three states at the same table as themself playing through RDC or something similar.

im not making any accusations but all im saying is protect ya neck out there

If they wanted to collude , big stack could’ve raised/folded some garbage, why wait for AJ

Really, who cares anymore. Online poker is a joke and Covid is killing the live game. Let's all just move on, please.

And what happens when another small stack shoves?

Besides the decision to cheat could have been made after AJ raised, say when his ally found the re-shove.

This is rife in brazillian circles. Most of the stables have their best players take over when a stakee gets deep enough into a tourny. Absurd amounts of ghosting that has been going on for years and nothing ever gets done about it. So to assume this is collusion seems more than fair.

Its an obv cheat but in the end what can u do? He decided to fold and thats it. Was his decision and we can never expect that he will tell the truth. He can say missclick (lol) or he can say that he hero folded (lol).

Is this really a huge offense in the poker world? Even if true, so what?

I'm folding here too.

You should never fold a 2bb open to a 7bb shove in this spot especially when icm isn’t insane at 25bb stack. Extremely obvious this was colluding.

Poker Detox showing their true colors being partnered with this Brazilian group also. Hard to see how a cash game for profit coaching group is working with an MTT coaching group beyond some shady dealings.

Patrick Howard's twitter is a hoot if you want to laugh at hypocrisy.

What

it can have huge impacts for the third players EV and strategy if 2 players collude 3 handed.

wtf, even are the comments ITT. Poker players collude online. SHOCKING NEWS!