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12-30-2021 , 01:24 PM
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This guy did a breakdown with replies etc if anyone cares to have it all together
pics from both the players involved from vid:




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12-30-2021 , 02:42 PM
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Selouan screen-shotted the 9tales chat as evidence they werent colluding. Both Pvigar and Yuri Martins commented on the fold being strange but in the group chat it appears they didn´t know what each other had. That said, it doesn´t necessarily mean they weren´t chatting privately elsewhere.
I don't think the accusation is that they know each other's cards, just that they are softplaying because they have a swap.
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12-31-2021 , 06:54 AM
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obvious softplay from 9bitches stable
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12-31-2021 , 07:44 AM
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I mean he is basically saying that Sejis reshoving range there is AQ/JJ+ with 7bb as the shortest stack? Get real.
I mean any donk(including me) would say this is pretty trivial call and it should count for basically nothing, but pros are on the same page. Yet we are to believe he blundered that spot?
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12-31-2021 , 02:32 PM
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Sure. If you let HJ have open jams, AJo call is +$3125. If HJ has no open jams, call AJo is +$2997. In both sims HJ is calling A9o. It's not that close, but it's also not a fist pump call I guess. Now for math with their exact hands,

ICM Value if HJ folds:

HJ: $126,226
BU: $95,797


ICM Value if HJ calls:

HJ: $136,157
BU: $68,832



So if they share a bankroll, the fold was about +$17k. Obviously in reality its a bit different because seiji loses the CL if he calls and loses.
So when it's spelled out in these terms, how many people sitting in moral judgment can hand on heart say they would have made the call knowing it would be -$8.5k ev to their bankroll?

If people are questioning whether swapping action should be allowed that's another argument, but as long as it goes on these kind of spots will inevitably come up, and people have to be extremely naive to think 99%+ of players won't make decisions that will be best for their bottom line.
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12-31-2021 , 08:47 PM
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So when it's spelled out in these terms, how many people sitting in moral judgment can hand on heart say they would have made the call knowing it would be -$8.5k ev to their bankroll?

If people are questioning whether swapping action should be allowed that's another argument, but as long as it goes on these kind of spots will inevitably come up, and people have to be extremely naive to think 99%+ of players won't make decisions that will be best for their bottom line.
I think the issue is that it is cheating, which is a moral failure, and you face winnings being seized and your account being banned.
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12-31-2021 , 11:30 PM
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12-31-2021 , 11:47 PM
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The real housewives of NVG!!! This is good chit.
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01-14-2022 , 10:32 AM
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ACR announces they have super honest player pool
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01-14-2022 , 03:32 PM
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ACR announces they have super honest player pool
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01-15-2022 , 03:20 AM
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Brazilian online stars cleared of collusion allegations after 888poker conducts investigation
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“Dear Rodrigo,” the email begins, once translated to English. “We are the 888poker Operations Team and we are contacting you regarding your account, whose username is ‘selouan1991’. After an in-depth analysis, we found that, apart from the hand we received complaints about, there is no evidence of foul play on your part. Your accounts are being reopened and we hope to see you back at our tables soon. We regret any inconvenience that the imposition of these restrictions may have caused, and we wish you the best of luck at the tables. Sincerely, Operations Team, 888poker”.
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01-15-2022 , 06:54 PM
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An absolutely disgusting tweet

then later on he says it was not clear collusion.

Yes it was
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