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Old 02-09-2018, 11:56 AM   #176
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Re: *** February 2018 High Stakes Thread ***

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $100/$200 - 2 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit

wilhasha (SB): $21,864.83 (109 bb)
muumipoiss (BB): $28,168.17 (141 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($300)
wilhasha (SB) raises to $460, muumipoiss (BB) 3-bets to $2,000, wilhasha (SB) calls $1,540

Flop: ($4,000) 5 4 8 (2 players)
muumipoiss (BB) bets $2,300, wilhasha (SB) calls $2,300

Turn: ($8,600) Q (2 players)
muumipoiss (BB) bets $4,600, wilhasha (SB) calls $4,600

River: ($17,800) Q (2 players)
muumipoiss (BB) bets $19,268.17 (all-in), wilhasha (SB) calls $12,964.83 (all-in)

Total pot: $43,729.66 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
muumipoiss (BB) shows Q T (three of a kind, Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 50%, Flop: 28%, Turn: 86%, River: 100%)

wilhasha (SB) shows 6 6 (two pair, Queens and Sixes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 50%, Flop: 72%, Turn: 14%, River: 0%)

muumipoiss (BB) wins $43,726.66
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Old 02-09-2018, 12:24 PM   #177
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Re: *** February 2018 High Stakes Thread ***

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $100/$200 - 2 players
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wilhasha (SB): $35,543.38 (178 bb)
OtB_RedBaron (BB): $25,533.58 (128 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($300)
wilhasha (SB) raises to $460, OtB_RedBaron (BB) 3-bets to $1,900.20, wilhasha (SB) calls $1,440.20

Flop: ($3,800.40) T A 8 (2 players)
OtB_RedBaron (BB) checks, wilhasha (SB) bets $1,900, OtB_RedBaron (BB) calls $1,900

Turn: ($7,600.40) 2 (2 players)
OtB_RedBaron (BB) checks, wilhasha (SB) bets $4,900, OtB_RedBaron (BB) calls $4,900

River: ($17,400.40) 7 (2 players)
OtB_RedBaron (BB) checks, wilhasha (SB) bets $9,900, OtB_RedBaron (BB) folds

Total pot: $17,400.40 (Rake: $3)
wilhasha (SB) wins $17,397.40





PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $100/$200 - 2 players
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OtB_RedBaron (SB): $23,103.01 (116 bb)
wilhasha (BB): $41,600.57 (208 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($300)
OtB_RedBaron (SB) raises to $442, wilhasha (BB) 3-bets to $1,900, OtB_RedBaron (SB) calls $1,458

Flop: ($3,800) 3 9 Q (2 players)
wilhasha (BB) bets $1,900, OtB_RedBaron (SB) calls $1,900

Turn: ($7,600) 5 (2 players)
wilhasha (BB) bets $3,900, OtB_RedBaron (SB) calls $3,900

River: ($15,400) J (2 players)
wilhasha (BB) checks, OtB_RedBaron (SB) checks

Total pot: $15,400 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
wilhasha (BB) shows K J (a pair of Jacks)
OtB_RedBaron (SB) mucks
wilhasha (BB) wins $15,397
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Old 02-09-2018, 12:26 PM   #178
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Re: *** February 2018 High Stakes Thread ***

Sauce going for the #1 spot again playing Berri:

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $100/$200 - 2 players
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BERRI SWEET (SB): $25,467.78 (127 bb)
Sauce123 (BB): $32,489.68 (162 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($300)
BERRI SWEET (SB) raises to $600, Sauce123 (BB) 3-bets to $1,800, BERRI SWEET (SB) calls $1,200

Flop: ($3,600) A 8 Q (2 players)
Sauce123 (BB) bets $2,086.26, BERRI SWEET (SB) calls $2,086.26

Turn: ($7,772.52) 3 (2 players)
Sauce123 (BB) checks, BERRI SWEET (SB) bets $3,884.76, Sauce123 (BB) calls $3,884.76

River: ($15,542.04) 8 (2 players)
Sauce123 (BB) checks, BERRI SWEET (SB) checks

Total pot: $15,542.04 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
BERRI SWEET (SB) mucks
Sauce123 (BB) shows Q 7 T J (two pair, Queens and Eights)
Sauce123 (BB) wins $15,539.04





PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $100/$200 - 2 players
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Sauce123 (SB): $20,597.00 (103 bb)
BERRI SWEET (BB): $27,386.35 (137 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($300)
Sauce123 (SB) raises to $600, BERRI SWEET (BB) 3-bets to $1,800, Sauce123 (SB) calls $1,200

Flop: ($3,600) 3 K J (2 players)
BERRI SWEET (BB) bets $1,079.10, Sauce123 (SB) calls $1,079.10

Turn: ($5,758.20) Q (2 players)
BERRI SWEET (BB) bets $1,726.56, Sauce123 (SB) calls $1,726.56

River: ($9,211.32) 4 (2 players)
BERRI SWEET (BB) bets $9,208.32, Sauce123 (SB) raises to $15,991.34 (all-in), BERRI SWEET (BB) calls $6,783.02

Total pot: $41,194 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
Sauce123 (SB) shows A J 5 T (a straight, Ten to Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 39%, Flop: 59%, Turn: 50%, River: 50%)

BERRI SWEET (BB) shows Q A T 5 (a straight, Ten to Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 61%, Flop: 41%, Turn: 50%, River: 50%)

Sauce123 (SB) wins $20,595.50
BERRI SWEET (BB) wins $20,595.50





PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $100/$200 - 2 players
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Sauce123 (SB): $25,649.25 (128 bb)
BERRI SWEET (BB): $25,883.33 (129 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($300)
Sauce123 (SB) raises to $600, BERRI SWEET (BB) 3-bets to $1,800, Sauce123 (SB) 4-bets to $5,400, BERRI SWEET (BB) calls $3,600

Flop: ($10,800) 2 9 J (2 players)
BERRI SWEET (BB) checks, Sauce123 (SB) bets $10,797, BERRI SWEET (BB) raises to $20,483.33 (all-in), Sauce123 (SB) calls $9,452.25 (all-in)

First Turn: ($51,298.50) 3 (2 players, 2 all-in)

First River: ($51,298.50) 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Second Turn: ($51,298.50) 6 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Second River: ($51,298.50) 5 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $51,298.50 (Rake: $3)

First Showdown: Board: 2 9 J 3 8

BERRI SWEET (BB) shows Q J 8 T (a straight, Eight to Queen)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 38%, Flop: 57%, Turn: 33%, River: 0%)

Sauce123 (SB) shows 6 A K K (a flush, King high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 62%, Flop: 43%, Turn: 68%, River: 100%)

Sauce123 (SB) wins $25,647.75

Second Showdown: Board: 2 9 J 6 5

BERRI SWEET (BB) shows Q J 8 T (a pair of Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 38%, Flop: 57%, Turn: 43%, River: 0%)

Sauce123 (SB) shows 6 A K K (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 62%, Flop: 43%, Turn: 58%, River: 100%)

Sauce123 (SB) wins $25,647.75
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Old 02-09-2018, 12:39 PM   #179
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Re: *** February 2018 High Stakes Thread ***

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $100/$200 - 2 players
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OtB_RedBaron (SB): $27,278.27 (136 bb)
wilhasha (BB): $17,721.51 (89 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($300)
OtB_RedBaron (SB) raises to $442, wilhasha (BB) calls $242

Flop: ($884) T 6 Q (2 players)
wilhasha (BB) checks, OtB_RedBaron (SB) bets $590.27, wilhasha (BB) raises to $1,900, OtB_RedBaron (SB) raises to $4,609.73, wilhasha (BB) calls $2,709.73

Turn: ($10,103.46) 4 (2 players)
wilhasha (BB) checks, OtB_RedBaron (SB) bets $3,367.31, wilhasha (BB) calls $3,367.31

River: ($16,838.08) 2 (2 players)
wilhasha (BB) checks, OtB_RedBaron (SB) checks

Total pot: $16,838.08 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
OtB_RedBaron (SB) shows K K (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 83%, Flop: 69%, Turn: 82%, River: 100%)

wilhasha (BB) shows 9 8 (high card, Queen)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 17%, Flop: 31%, Turn: 18%, River: 0%)

OtB_RedBaron (SB) wins $16,835.08
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Old 02-09-2018, 05:20 PM   #180
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Not neccessarily. I think in many areas and societies its up to the group to implicitly decide acceptable behaviour. If everyone had a negative reaction toward bad actors the prevalence of bad behaviour may be reduced.
Incentives matter. There is a strong monetary incentive for people to exploit whatever loopholes Stars provides. You're extremely naive if you think a "negative reaction from other poker players" is going to stop people from doing so.

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An example is your reply. You just say "oh well, they will do it anyway". That's a submissive response which implies that it is acceptable.
First of all that wasn't my response, and second of all WTF are you talking about? It doesn't imply that it's acceptable, it implies that you can't socially shame these people out of their behavior. And so why waste time and energy rather than getting to the root of the actual problem?

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Whether or not this kind of attitude will have a noticeable effect is debatable. It still does not hurt to try.
It does hurt to try though. It wastes time and is ineffective. Poker players have been trying to shame bumhunters since the dawn of online poker. It has never and will never work, as the bumhunters DGAF. The sites need to prevent it with actual ****ing rules.
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Old 02-09-2018, 05:22 PM   #181
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Not really. It's a rational excuse, especially since they're bad at poker compared to yourself and the players you've listed. Why expect them to be charitable, especially if they don't care about the long-term health of the games?

The burden is on PokerStars to disincentivize the unwanted behavior by whatever means necessary. Publicly shaming bumhunters/sociopaths into "doing the right thing" doesn't work -- these people don't care about their reputations. They'll only respond to a change in the rules or the threat of harsh punishment. If Stars doesn't do anything, nothing can be done.
Then these people need to either get better or drop down stakes.
I'm not good at poker so it's ok to break the rules is a terrible argument.
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Old 02-09-2018, 05:27 PM   #182
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Then these people need to either get better or drop down stakes.
Yawn. Why would they drop down in stakes? Because you said so?

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I'm not good at poker so it's ok to break the rules is a terrible argument.
But that's not their argument. It's more like, "I'm gonna take what PokerStars gives me. And I'm going to break any unenforced rules because why the **** wouldn't I?"

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Old 02-09-2018, 05:49 PM   #183
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In the past 12 hours I have had several constructive conversations with regulars, who have previously broken ToS, regarding table ethics. It seems to me like spreading exact information of what is allowed and what is not allowed would solve a good amount of issues. Establishing clearly, past that, what is viewed as ethical and unethical by the(in this case) high stakes population would solve a good deal more. Aggressively reporting and questioning the ones who truly don't care(clear minority by my judgement) should then fix most of the remaining problems.

I am not going to spend some exorbitant amount of time trying to "save the high stakes PLO world", but that is my take. Things already seem to have moved a little bit in the right direction. If people act too poorly going forward, I might find some good way to further deincentivize their behaviour. I'll also mention just one more time how helpful reporting offenders is.

Very high level picture game @Loctus. Can think of lots of pics that would be slightly less funny, but none that would improve.

Haven't been following closely since I don't play on those sites, but seems like you are doing good investigative work on cheaters @ChicagoJoey.

I think that way too many people fail to see how many nuances are available on the spectrum between being depressingly defeatist and lost in optimistic delusion.
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Old 02-09-2018, 07:30 PM   #184
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Haven't been following closely since I don't play on those sites, but seems like you are doing good investigative work on cheaters @ChicagoJoey.

I think that way too many people fail to see how many nuances are available on the spectrum between being depressingly defeatist and lost in optimistic delusion.
Hey BERRI IMO I think it would be great You on ChicagoJoey's Pod and hear Your thoughts Thanks . . .
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Old 02-09-2018, 07:42 PM   #185
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I think it is at least debatable are all things mentioned by BERRI SWEET against the rules

or unethical.Table selection is allowed,if someone plays only against worse players and

leaves the game when this players leave don`t see that unethical.Yes sitting out when

playing 3 handed,or sitting out when recs are sitting out needs to regulated,but if we say

table selection is unethical then someone may say some high stakes pro who is gambling against other players and taking their money for years is doing something unethical.
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Old 02-09-2018, 09:11 PM   #186
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I think that way too many people fail to see how many nuances are available on the spectrum between being depressingly defeatist and lost in optimistic delusion.
Very well said, Berri. As emotionally satisfying as it may be to dichotomize, the truth is usually in the gray.
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Old 02-09-2018, 09:22 PM   #187
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I think that way too many people fail to see how many nuances are available on the spectrum between being depressingly defeatist and lost in optimistic delusion.
This is a perfect description of a common problem in so many areas of life.
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Old 02-10-2018, 02:59 PM   #188
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Hello everyone. High stakes PLO on PokerStars has degenerated to a point where breaking the rules has become the norm. Most people reading this probably don't care. That is understandable. The people who do care can, if they would like, help significantly with little effort.

When people get reported a couple of times for breaching ToS, they get warned that they risk having their account suspended. When people get such warnings, they are pretty likely to stop breaking the rules. Most common issues include:

*Sitting out on a 6-max with 3 people on it, unwilling to play 3-handed. Camping high stakes tables can easily be worth $100/hr+/table for many players. This money is cheated away from the people following the rules, the ones only taking a seat when they are ready to play. Being afk is not a valid excuse since the EV is still stolen and the rules are still broken. The privilege of getting into good games comes with the responsibility of making sure you follow the ToS.

*Sitting out specifically when a recreational player busts/takes a break. This also creates lots of EV for bumhunters avoiding orbits in reg-lineups they are big losers in.

*Starting tables because a specific recreational is around, while having no intentions of playing unless the targetted player gets a seat at the table. Then leaving while underpaying blinds when the table gets filled with regulars. This is a new occurence that is kind of a twist on buttoning people which is one further common issue.

These types of cheating shouldn't be separated too far from MA'ing or colluding in terms of severity. I personally don't lose much, if any, EV from the poor behaviour of these people since they tend to make my games softer and I hold all tables anyway. But there are many ethical regs that get cheated out of at least 5 figures each year.

Just a handful of people reporting misconduct by sending screenshots with short explanations to PokerStars support is likely to have a big impact based on the data that I have. It doesn't matter if you do it for the support of poker or out of disrespect for the leeches making a living off of the game solely because they have been able to get away with breaking the rules for so long.

I ultimately decided against making a list of repeat offenders at this time. But if things don't change, I believe public outings will be in order. Just like they have been when people have colluded or MA'd in the past.

I think this was the proper place to make this post, but I am less sure whether it is appropriate or not to have discussions related to it clogging this thread. I'll leave that decision to moderators.

Lastly I wanted to make a shoutout to some of the players who, from my own personal experience, never fail to show the highest level of ethicality at the tables. Gavz101, fjutekk, Cobus83, Sauce123 and WRUUUUM, just to mention a few people off of the top of my head.

Often times, as a high stakes player, you have the choice between sacrificing a little money/EV or degenerating into narcissistically making whichever unethical choice makes you the most $$ in the moment. Far too many regulars have chosen the latter path lately. "Everyone else is doing it" is one of the worst excuses of all time.
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Old 02-10-2018, 05:10 PM   #189
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Could someone please post some Russian PTR screenshots of HSNL/HSPLO regs?
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Old 02-10-2018, 08:32 PM   #190
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Could someone please post some Russian PTR screenshots of HSNL/HSPLO regs?
Lol, gl with that.
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Old 02-11-2018, 08:52 AM   #191
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Could someone please post some Russian PTR screenshots of HSNL/HSPLO regs?
Isn`t HSDB very accurate with tracking results?
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Old 02-11-2018, 10:23 AM   #192
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PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $50/$100 ($20 ante) - 6 players
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GODofHU (UTG): $13620.06 (136 bb)
ZarubaNT (MP): $26780.19 (268 bb)
libby493 (CO): $30776.82 (308 bb)
OhHeyCindy (BU): $67407.38 (674 bb)
Iimitless (SB): $37852.56 (379 bb)
prot0 (BB): $35045.17 (350 bb)

Pre Flop: ($270)
1 fold, ZarubaNT (MP) raises to $277.60, libby493 (CO) 3-bets to $1102.80, 3 folds, ZarubaNT (MP) 4-bets to $2850, libby493 (CO) calls $1747.20

Flop: ($5970) Q 4 A (2 players)
ZarubaNT (MP) bets $1491.25, libby493 (CO) calls $1491.25

Turn: ($8952.50) K (2 players)
ZarubaNT (MP) bets $5368.50, libby493 (CO) calls $5368.50

River: ($19689.50) 7 (2 players)
ZarubaNT (MP) bets $17050.44 (all-in), libby493 (CO) calls $17050.44

Total pot: $53790.38 (Rake: $5)

Showdown:
ZarubaNT (MP) shows J J (a pair of Jacks)
(Equity - pre: 68%, flop: 8%, turn: 0%, river: 0%)

libby493 (CO) shows 9 Q (a flush, Ace high)
(Equity - pre: 32%, flop: 92%, turn: 100%, river: 100%)

libby493 (CO) wins $53785.38
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Old 02-11-2018, 11:33 AM   #194
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PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $50/$100 ($20 ante) - 6 players
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ZarubaNT (UTG): $25640.27 (256 bb)
libby493 (MP): $78656.43 (787 bb)
OhHeyCindy (CO): $66153.49 (662 bb)
Iimitless (BU): $30830.97 (308 bb)
svansa (SB): $25000 (250 bb)
GODofHU (BB): $11208.75 (112 bb)

Pre Flop: ($270)
1 fold, libby493 (MP) raises to $200, 2 folds, svansa (SB) calls $150, GODofHU (BB) calls $100

Flop: ($720) J K 2 (3 players)
svansa (SB) checks, GODofHU (BB) checks, libby493 (MP) bets $357.50, svansa (SB) raises to $2000, 1 fold, libby493 (MP) 3-bets to $78436.43 (all-in), svansa (SB) calls $22780 (all-in)

Turn: ($50280.00) Q (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($50280.00) 9 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $50280 (Rake: $5)

Showdown:
svansa (SB) shows 2 K (two pair, Kings and Deuces)
(Equity - pre: 14%, flop: 73%, turn: 73%, river: 100%)

libby493 (MP) shows A A (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - pre: 86%, flop: 27%, turn: 27%, river: 0%)

svansa (SB) wins $50275
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PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $50/$100 ($20 ante) - 6 players
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GODofHU (UTG): $10604.22 (106 bb)
ZarubaNT (MP): $25000 (250 bb)
libby493 (CO): $47151.75 (472 bb)
OhHeyCindy (BU): $59644.89 (596 bb)
Iimitless (SB): $37653.18 (377 bb)
svansa (BB): $82810.95 (828 bb)

Pre Flop: ($270)
GODofHU (UTG) raises to $350, 1 fold, libby493 (CO) 3-bets to $1320, 3 folds, GODofHU (UTG) calls $970

Flop: ($2910) T 3 9 (2 players)
GODofHU (UTG) checks, libby493 (CO) bets $1452.50, GODofHU (UTG) raises to $9264.22 (all-in), libby493 (CO) calls $7811.72

Turn: ($21438.44) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($21438.44) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $21438.44 (Rake: $5)

Showdown:
GODofHU (UTG) shows 7 8 (high card Ace)
(Equity - pre: 62%, flop: 47%, turn: 0%, river: 0%)

libby493 (CO) shows 6 8 (a flush, Ace high)
(Equity - pre: 38%, flop: 53%, turn: 100%, river: 100%)

libby493 (CO) wins $21433.44
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Old 02-11-2018, 04:58 PM   #196
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Lol, gl with that.
Had to ask haha


On an unrelated note:

There's a live 100/200 NL game being streamed by Party Poker with Steffen Sontheimer, Leon Tsoukernik, Sam Trickett and Rob Yong at the table. Supposedly, Viktor Blom is on the list for the game, but he's still in the high-roller.

The stream will be on until at least 12 PM EST.

http://www.twitch.tv/partypokertv

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Old 02-11-2018, 05:35 PM   #197
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12 AM EST

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Old 02-11-2018, 06:01 PM   #198
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Re: *** February 2018 High Stakes Thread ***

Preflop action:

Straddle to 1600
Ashkan raises to 5500
Sontheimer reraises to 17000
Ashkan pushes for 57500 and gets called

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Old 02-11-2018, 06:03 PM   #199
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Re: *** February 2018 High Stakes Thread ***

Leon about Negreanu (might not be 100% accurate):

"Big disappoinment, nobody likes him in Europe anyway."
"Ignorant poodle"

Bang, bang.
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Old 02-11-2018, 10:04 PM   #200
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Re: *** February 2018 High Stakes Thread ***

Viktor Blom just joined the live 100/200 NL game being streamed by PartyPoker on Twitch.

http://www.twitch.tv/partypokertv.com

edit: Isildur1 is playing like BlackRain79

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