I trust the opinions of people like Jmo, jakeeeee etc more than I trust yours or 40and7. As was previously mentioned this discussion has been ongoing for a long time in the HU community, this is only news to you, not to most people in the loop.

You are obviously not very intelligent so i will try to go on your level of thought.
I dont have an opinion if 40and7 is bot or not simply because i dont have or have seen any proof that he is.The point here is that is not ethical to accuse someone of cheating without proof,but i kinda understand that ethics and poker players dont go too well together.If you or Jakee,Jmo or Gmo have any proof that he is a bot ,let us see it and declare him as one, if otherwise you better stfu or you sound like a 12 years old girl.

The opinions of top players that regularly play that account (and that do not throw out bot accusations around lightly) is if not proof beyond a reasonable doubt than at least "evidence" enough to merit discussion.

Realistically, 40and7, what kind of "proof" about your account would you first like to see to allow for this issue to be discussed.

It's doing no harm to him discussing if he's a bot. If anything, we shouldn't be afraid to discuss these rumors. However, we should be afraid of becoming a community where our opinions are harmfully attacked without a proper cause. Go ahead and discuss if he's a bot.

Has JMO even played 40and7? How can you tell if someone uses realtime software by just playing him? Limp is obv right but it's still fun to speculate.

well it did feel like to me that when 40and7 played against bilzerian he was adjusting quite badly as do bots against fishes, they still win but just less than they should if they made the obvious adjustements

Considering his drastic change of speed when playing vs blitz I say he didnt use his software vs him and the reason he adjusted poorly is cause he sucks without his software is my guess.

I have also been strongly suspecting that OBORRA and 40and7 are bots. I played a lot with OBORRA and he was always playing flawless poker. He played so good that i never saw a hand which in he made mistake. He played almost identical strategy to Piosolver and i considered him the best player, even better than otb and others.

40and7 has also been very suspicious. He's been making some plays that humans would never do. For example 4-betting Khigh flush on 4-flushcard boards for value etc. I remember people calling him a fish because of his out of ordinary plays, but clearly hes one of the biggest winners at heads up.

where is that graph from?

Lowstakesdb.ru

Hello mr polk

it was ridiculous how he wasn't able to make the smallest of adjustments vs someone playing as random as Dan, i call obvious bot on this one

So Ive probably played 40and7 more than anyone. about 15k hands the last 6months, and yeah Im pretty convinced he has some kinda assistance as well in some kinda form. Ive spoken about this with a lot of players and we all agree. It would require a lot for me to say that on a public forum, and yes I could still be wrong, but thats my opinion without going too much into details why.

Him being a huge bumhunter to overnight battled anyone at the highest stake and do it very well is also not easy to explain.


FWIW me as well was pretty certain abaout OBORAA for a long time before it happened being some kinda bot

Kareem could you give examples that differentiate 40and7s play from "human" play? Im really curios what he does differently

*paging stars rep*

Kaarem,

Who are you on stars?

PokerStars Zoom Hand #165315215219: Hold'em No Limit ($10/$20) - 2017/01/28 15:46:46 ET
Table 'Cetus' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: frabbxd ($2073.09 in chips)
Seat 2: Kaarem ($4819.20 in chips)
frabbxd: posts small blind $10
Kaarem: posts big blind $20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kaarem [9c 6c]
frabbxd: raises $22 to $42
Kaarem: calls $22
*** FLOP *** [4s 2d 8c]
Kaarem: checks
frabbxd: bets $27.14
Kaarem: raises $90.11 to $117.25
frabbxd: calls $90.11
*** TURN *** [4s 2d 8c] [Td]
Kaarem: bets $209.06
frabbxd: calls $209.06
*** RIVER *** [4s 2d 8c Td] [Ah]
Kaarem: checks
frabbxd: bets $1704.78 and is all-in
Kaarem: calls $1704.78
*** SHOW DOWN ***
frabbxd: shows [6h 5h] (high card Ace)
Kaarem: shows [9c 6c] (high card Ace - Ten+Nine kicker)
Kaarem collected $4144.43 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4146.18 | Rake $1.75
Board [4s 2d 8c Td Ah]
Seat 1: frabbxd (button) (small blind) showed [6h 5h] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 2: Kaarem (big blind) showed [9c 6c] and won ($4144.43) with high card Ace

Ty sir

I heard he's a station.

Lol,sick call Kareem.

1. there clearly was a human playing vs bilzerian on stream... maybe he made poor adjustments, but to me it looked just like a reg waiting for the spot to bust the donk


2. there are many players who went from bumhunter to playing "the best" at high stakes... dannmmerrrr coming to mind for example (altho contorversial wheather he was playing at all times).. he didnt play higher then like 1/2 ,2/4 for AGES. Kaarem was pretty conservative in choosing his opponents while also playing much lower aswell.... etc etc.



i'm all for outing Bots but doing so in NVG by posting graphs and assumptions serves nobody except the poster's ego maybe


it is obvious that there are many computer-assisted players in msnl and hsnl. this is no news. Botting is not only a microstakes Problem. it hasnt been since like 2010, probably earlier.
get over it.

I think it's quite reasonable to assume human is capable of playing of playing fish on their own using concrete exploitative adjustments and relies on A.I. for tougher opponents.

Not sure who you are and where your observations come from but I think these are pretty inaccurate statements. I think there are almost no players who went from being strict bumhunters to being top players at high stakes.

Players like Dannmerrr and Kaarem rose up the stakes because they pushed themselves and were constantly battling vs regs, that is the opposite of bumhunting.

Also, I've never heard anyone respectable suggest Danmerr wasn't the one playing on his account at all times.

I've heard multiple good players come to this conclusion about 40and7 independently from each other. Understand there is more to this than what is suitable to discuss on an open forum, that doesn't mean it's not worth mentioning. People can draw their own conclusions.

Fwiw, I've rarely ever thought someone was using computer assistance while playing HUNL. Unless you count pokertracker and windows calculator. Furthermore, the people who have this suspicion about 40and7 are not people who I've heard regularly have this suspicion about other players. This isn't anything to do with people's egos.

Perkins is streaming nl20k on twitch rn

I'm curious, could you elaborate on how he adjusted badly vs Bilzerian?

9 high like a boss. But seriously how do you make this call??

He looked at my location probably.