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02-08-2017 , 06:11 PM

#201

Kaarem

newbie

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 46

haha, that sounds pretty accurate Frabb =)

02-08-2017 , 07:04 PM

#202

civ77

grinder

Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 456

My buddy played cash with 40and7 in Barcelona this past summer. Said the kid talked non stop **** the whole time to everybody at the table.

02-08-2017 , 07:42 PM

#203

DontBanMePlz

journeyman

Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 311

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waltjr

Has JMO even played 40and7? How can you tell if someone uses realtime software by just playing him? Limp is obv right but it's still fun to speculate.

ive played him quite a bit

02-08-2017 , 08:37 PM

#204

coordi

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 22,807

You want to use piosolver but you don't want people to use it while they play. Seems unlikely to be able to keep those things separate. The hard part was making solver. I'd imagine the rest is fairly easy. This is the state of online poker

02-08-2017 , 08:48 PM

#205

OMGClayDol

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 11,060

Fwiw oborra was registered for some bigger (5k ish) ept tournies live, dunno who it is

02-08-2017 , 09:37 PM

#206

Fayth

veteran

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,134

Quote:

Originally Posted by coordi

yeah you can't use pio while you play, making a bot with pio is much easier I suppose but you definitely can't use pio real time, takes way too much computing power

02-08-2017 , 10:11 PM

#207

Testi

Taking care of business

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 16,545

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $25/$50 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

40and7 (BU): $5397.75 (108 bb)
Iness250 (BB): $3343.26 (67 bb)

Pre Flop: ($75)
40and7 (BU) raises to $125, Iness250 (BB) calls $75

Flop: ($250) A

(2 players)
Iness250 (BB) checks, 40and7 (BU) bets $81.76, Iness250 (BB) calls $81.76

Turn: ($413.52) 2

(2 players)
Iness250 (BB) checks, 40and7 (BU) bets $616.91, Iness250 (BB) raises to $1450, 40and7 (BU) calls $833.09

River: ($3313.52) 9

(2 players)
Iness250 (BB) bets $1686.50 (all-in), 40and7 (BU) calls $1686.50

Total pot: $6686.52 (Rake: $2.25)

Showdown:
Iness250 (BB) shows 2

(a full house, Nines full of Deuces)
(Equity - pre: 54%, flop: 86%, turn: 9%, river: 100%)

40and7 (BU) shows 4

(a straight, Ace to Five)
(Equity - pre: 46%, flop: 14%, turn: 91%, river: 0%)

Iness250 (BB) wins $6684.27

02-08-2017 , 10:11 PM

#208

Testi

Taking care of business

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 16,545

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $50/$100 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

RomanHLD (BU): $10198.75 (102 bb)
40and7 (BB): $10591.16 (106 bb)

Pre Flop: ($150)
RomanHLD (BU) raises to $263, 40and7 (BB) calls $163

Flop: ($526) 8

(2 players)
40and7 (BB) checks, RomanHLD (BU) bets $183.23, 40and7 (BB) raises to $750, RomanHLD (BU) calls $566.77

Turn: ($2026) Q

(2 players)
40and7 (BB) checks, RomanHLD (BU) bets $1356.92, 40and7 (BB) calls $1356.92

River: ($4739.84) K

(2 players)
40and7 (BB) checks, RomanHLD (BU) bets $2916.04, 40and7 (BB) raises to $8221.24 (all-in), RomanHLD (BU) calls $4912.79 (all-in)

Total pot: $20397.50 (Rake: $2.50)

Showdown:
40and7 (BB) shows 8

(a full house, Eights full of Queens)
(Equity - pre: 33%, flop: 96%, turn: 100%, river: 100%)

RomanHLD (BU) shows K

(a flush, Ace high)
(Equity - pre: 67%, flop: 4%, turn: 0%, river: 0%)

40and7 (BB) wins $20395

02-08-2017 , 10:13 PM

#209

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 8,132

Seems that the most logical way to cheat is to be a tag team one pressing the buttons on the pokerstars client computer and then another person in putting info into pio solver.

02-08-2017 , 10:13 PM

#210

Testi

Taking care of business

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 16,545

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $50/$100 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

RomanHLD (BU): $15324.23 (153 bb)
40and7 (BB): $10000 (100 bb)

Pre Flop: ($150)
RomanHLD (BU) raises to $263, 40and7 (BB) 3-bets to $900, RomanHLD (BU) calls $637

Flop: ($1800) 3

(2 players)
40and7 (BB) bets $593.18, RomanHLD (BU) calls $593.18

Turn: ($2986.36) 6

(2 players)
40and7 (BB) bets $2237.90, RomanHLD (BU) calls $2237.90

River: ($7462.16) K

(2 players)
40and7 (BB) bets $6268.92 (all-in), RomanHLD (BU) calls $6268.92

Total pot: $20000 (Rake: $2.50)

Showdown:
40and7 (BB) shows 4

(a pair of Sixes)
(Equity - pre: 39%, flop: 37%, turn: 18%, river: 0%)

RomanHLD (BU) shows 6

(three of a kind, Sixes)
(Equity - pre: 61%, flop: 63%, turn: 82%, river: 100%)

RomanHLD (BU) wins $19997.50

02-08-2017 , 10:16 PM

#211

Testi

Taking care of business

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 16,545

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $50/$100 - 2 players
Rail Hand History Converter

Iness250 (BU): $12890.02 (129 bb)
40and7 (BB): $10000 (100 bb)

Pre Flop: ($150)
Iness250 (BU) calls $50, 40and7 (BB) raises to $400, Iness250 (BU) 3-bets to $1200, 40and7 (BB) calls $800

Flop: ($2400) 6

(2 players)
40and7 (BB) checks, Iness250 (BU) bets $1200, 40and7 (BB) raises to $2783.18, Iness250 (BU) 3-bets to $11690.02 (all-in), 40and7 (BB) calls $6016.82 (all-in)

Turn: ($20000) K

(2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($20000) J

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $20000 (Rake: $2.50)

Showdown:
40and7 (BB) shows 8

(high card King)
(Equity - pre: 20%, flop: 47%, turn: 27%, river: 0%)

Iness250 (BU) shows Q

(a pair of Queens)
(Equity - pre: 80%, flop: 53%, turn: 73%, river: 100%)

Iness250 (BU) wins $19997.50

02-08-2017 , 11:37 PM

#212

angeles

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,942

Quote:

Originally Posted by HH

Seems that the most logical way to cheat is to be a tag team one pressing the buttons on the pokerstars client computer and then another person in putting info into pio solver.

you would timeout every hand

02-09-2017 , 12:24 AM

#213

DontBanMePlz

journeyman

Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 311

Quote:

Originally Posted by coordi

there is a huge difference between studying solutions to spots and applying them to your game vs. a real time computer giving you solutions to spots as they come up (or just playing for you)

02-09-2017 , 12:56 AM

#214

coordi

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 22,807

Quote:

Originally Posted by DontBanMePlz

there is a huge difference between studying solutions to spots and applying them to your game vs. a real time computer giving you solutions to spots as they come up (or just playing for you)

I didn't say there wasn't, just that opportunity is the foundation of fraud. Rationalization and pressure come naturally when opportunity arises.

02-09-2017 , 05:07 AM

#215

Zeekzeek

newbie

Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 18

40and7 only ever plays one table

02-09-2017 , 07:56 AM

#216

X9s

banned

Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fayth

yeah you can't use pio while you play, making a bot with pio is much easier I suppose but you definitely can't use pio real time, takes way too much computing power

wanna bet?

02-09-2017 , 08:17 AM

#217

purrretrog

veteran

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,590

Seems NVG thinks pio is like some sort of magic 8 ball you can just shake and roll with it

02-09-2017 , 08:26 AM

#218

aseHigh

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 11,883

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fayth

yeah you can't use pio while you play, making a bot with pio is much easier I suppose but you definitely can't use pio real time, takes way too much computing power

Quote:

Originally Posted by prahsk87

I'm curious, could you elaborate on how he adjusted badly vs Bilzerian?

9 high like a boss. But seriously how do you make this call??

River overbet when Karem's rng is **** on that runout/riv check might have something to do w the 9hi call

Impressive, regardless

02-09-2017 , 08:28 AM

#219

Fayth

veteran

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,134

Quote:

Originally Posted by X9s

wanna bet?

guess you could argue for using it with shallow stacks using 1 bet sizing or something

02-09-2017 , 09:16 AM

#220

X9s

banned

Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fayth

guess you could argue for using it with shallow stacks using 1 bet sizing or something

Yeah man totally, no one is using solvers in real time except for maybe this one and only specific instance that you listed.

02-09-2017 , 09:27 AM

#221

kaby

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 6,230

Quote:

Originally Posted by limp2trap

Maybe the old "HU ranklist" guys are just left behind the curve and cant beat the top regs now.Saying things like he is a bot,he is multiaccounting,he is ghosted without any prove is a disgrace.

+1000

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fiilismies

I have also been strongly suspecting that OBORRA and 40and7 are bots. I played a lot with OBORRA and he was always playing flawless poker. He played so good that i never saw a hand which in he made mistake. He played almost identical strategy to Piosolver and i considered him the best player, even better than otb and others.

40and7 has also been very suspicious. He's been making some plays that humans would never do. For example 4-betting Khigh flush on 4-flushcard boards for value etc.

maybe they're studying harder than you ;-)

*edit* i'm not saying it's out of the question he's a bot, it's just that you guys provide no further justification then "he plays better than me! /cry"