Not surprised of this. Software is getting too strong for people (like in chess) and since there is money to be made there is a big incentive to use the software. Probably even without money some cheaters would use the cheats just for the fun of it, just like in other games. If people aren't greedy and mix in some "2nd best decision" once in a while it is nearly impossible to detect, there is probably a legion of cheaters/bots out there on NL25, enjoying the protection of the big pool and low stakes.

I have no solution either. Maybe legalize all of it and let the bots battle it out and the occasional human brave enough to jump into the acid pool (I bet if the rake was 0,05% instead of 5% many humans would still take on the machines and the pokersites would still turn a profit - just not billions).

In the case at hand: Don't give the guys coming forward with this whole case so much bad mood. They are clearly whistleblowers stuck in a very uncomfortable place.

I would not go as far as to give them a medal, but the pokersites aren't doing their job and it takes guts and effort to make this thread.
I wonder how many people would just have buried this (or asking Henri/Fedor for hush money to sweep this under the carpet) and also how many "pros" here are just angry that this thread has a very uncomfortable truth in it, scaring away the last unsuspecting players.

Yeah but I think the share of Niklas & Manuel is negligible compared to Henri.

I'm also 100% convinced it's because of Niklas & Manuel that the story does come out.

I dare to bet that Henri didn't want this story to come out because got balls deep into this situation.


What about the guys of nolimit gaming? They took fedor on board a couple of months ago. Didn't they know anything about it ? (not accusing here - just wondering)

Lots of HS regs are worried about RTA, tuti88 just started a thread about this very topic and lots of HS players are commenting in it.

As Ninzent mentioned, many of us played an RTA user on the Chico network at 1k & 2k that was completely unbeatable for a human. He played as many tables as the site allowed, never reloaded (played every stack depth perfectly), any number of opponents (including some of the best stars regs), acted fast almost all the time, and never made mistakes.

Because regs came together, gathered evidence, and contacted the site, this player has since been banned by the network. He has tried to return, but was recognized and banned again.

Your “draconian measures” might be the only thing from online poker being completely ruined by people using RTA. The webcam solution or a similar measure (that only winning players would have to go through, thus not affecting recs) is clearly the way forward. Saying “people just want to play some cards” is completely lol as NO ONE will want to play some cards if the game is filled with opponents who use RTA. It is either suspicious or ignorant that you are so dismissive of it.

Other Thoughts

- the roommates should be commended for coming forward at all. Obviously they should have done it right away, but that they did it at all is worth a lot of praise. Perhaps when they first saw it they didn’t realize the severity of the situation. But they did a great thing for the community by coming forward.

- the one thing that I CANNOT BELIEVE is that there wasn’t a faster response to this 100nl sh*treg all of a sudden crushing high stakes. People talk about a tight knit community of high stakes regs on stars, and yet a group didn’t get together right away after seeing a breakeven/losing 100nl reg start beating high stakes in a matter of a few months? No one looked into his background to see he had a history of attention-seeking behavior that could lead him to resort to desperate measures in order to achieve financial success and/or fame? It’s a complete failure by the poker community that XL-sized alarm bells weren’t going off earlier.

In this day and age it is 100% impossible for someone to come out of nowhere and beat 1knl+. As the community of those of us playing these stakes becomes smaller and smaller, we need to realize that ANY TIME someone comes along who is beating the games and playing extremely well, and no one knows who that person is, or saw them climbing the stakes, then something is probably amiss. Where there is smoke with this kind of thing, there is usually fire.

In the end, people are going to be much less likely to be willing to cheat when they know they can be caught and have their accounts seized, and be permanently banned. This is the single biggest deterrent we have against cheaters, and everyone should be as vigilant as possible.

Wait a second... Charlie Carrell told me to F*CK GTO! So what is all that fuzz about?

Also lol at thinking the roommates are just upstanding citizens overcome with moral values and ethics after knowing about it for 6months+, buying action etc.
There is surely a lot of stuff that happened in the background that is not public (yet) and that lead to this „ethical“ snitching. Not surprising either since Fedor is such an unlikeable character to begin with.

the Buehler dude mentioned on his stream he had a new relationship. is it out of line to say he could marry this Fedor guy and thats why he has 50% of his action?

there was a massive discussion, where a SnG reg had a programme, that pulled the correct excel sheets via voice command ... PS banned the helper and i even think they prohibit having more than a certain tables/sheets on screen/off screen.

How is this any different to using push/fold charts? MTT/SNG guys have been using these for years

I get the feeling no one itt has ever played call of duty before. Those guys are straight thugs of course he’s guilty.

I'm a regular at .5/$1 on Global Poker. This same solver technique is being used there everyday at that limit. I played 50k hands at that limit.

I'm 10000000% sure I'm vs solvers everyday Ive been a PLO regular for 10 years. I'm winning at 37bb/100 over that 50k hand sample so I'm not just some salty losing reg.

Its absolute BS that this type of **** is occurring at .5/1 on Global Poker and most likely every other site and limit. Global Poker dosn't give any ****s cause these player types play a lot of rake. They constantly change their screennames but the play style stays exactly the same. To bring this **** to .5/1 is outrageous. You'd be surprised but these *********** are taking 50 buy ins out the game each week easily. That's 5k a week so well worth it to do at that limit. Please PM me if familiar with these scumbags at Global Poker using this same solver method of play.

I 1000000000% can gurantee you this is happening at Global Poker!!!!!!!!

It's almost like the high stakes guys have a reason to promote the games being clean? I wonder what it could be????????

As if there aren't high stakes well known player using RTA. Come the f on guys. They all get a free pass because they are established

No, this is just the one guy who got caught, and the only reason is his roommates surprisingly had some integrity and outed him. If he went lone wolf on this and didn't stupidly talk about his "dream machine" in WhatsApp messages he'd have never been caught.

That being said, I agree using very strict timebanks/webcam requirements will just scare recs away and do more harm than good. Fedor used a very basic system of literally having a bunch of folders on a second computer. If someone were smart, they could create a real automated dream machine that reads from a database, which would easily overcome the timebank / mouse movement restrictions.

Poker sites need to collab to create some kind of single security department. They need to make as intrusive security app as possible.

Something like if you play 10k hands previous month and it's 100+. You need to play with webcam.

If you play 10k hands previous month and you're playing 500+ you need a second camera behind you. Obviously not every session but some decent amount.


People acting like this is no big deal is pretty lol. It really is not hard to automate it to find turn donk in 4b pot. Evidence of that is h2n already can pull up that kind of information to get stats within a split second "4b pot turn donkbet COvsBb". You only need to add the board which is easy AF.

Just outing this has likely already inspired multiple **** 100nl grinders to get working on it but instead , will just not be an idiot and won't get room mates.

IIRC i have seen For Germany play 25/50 on gg as well

Even having most of the situations solved, it's not like it takes fractions of a second to find the given solve and load it right?, and if he's 2 tabling+, is it possible for him to manually be loading each of the solves on his side computer?

I'm personally banned from global but used to play there. Its 100% happening on every site including global. When I played global it was very soft higher then 100 NL though. Not saying its not happening at all at that level its possible but more likely at higher stakes then that in most cases.

As far as global their was already a guy awhile ago who had a HUD(its a hudless site) and posted proof after he was banned. He also showed a bunch of regs win rate and profit he data mined. He made his own HUD said it was really easy to do. That was homemade you can just buy RTA. Obv RTA is more cheating then a HUD on a hudless site but it just shows of course people will cheat any chance they get.

Of course guys are going to be in the thread "its nothing to worry about its just this one guy using it high stakes are clean guys". Some of these posters are likely using this same software and dont want everyone to start shining light on it. People will cheat to make money its just the way it is.

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I can't believe this is not talked about more. Whoever beats high stakes nowadays had to slave away for years and there is no way he just appears out of nowhere.
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people need to calm down, if cheating was as widespread as 2+2 thinks, games would be way tougher.

lol, what a moron. The thing that scares me the most is how easy it wouldve been to get away with this. If you didnt be so ****ing obvious. Ooh I'm moving up from 100NL to 10kNL and just lock my door. Jesus.

Going full CSB now

I played some 25/50 50/100 vs Fedor on GG while coked up. I'm sad he needed solvers to beat me, but it makes sense. He sent me some bs Dutch rapsong that he liked. And I thought how do you like this music and on that moment I knew something wasn't right. Than I Googeled some pictures and it all made sense. That backwards cap said it all.

PS- **** Bueholerooo

you are correct

What a dumbass. Dude gonna play 50/100 while cheating and does't even take an own apartment. Imma just lock my door everytime I grind. lol

# ****buehlore. You Germans can make some spreadsheets though. That %% sheet looks lit.

I do not think he has to manually put something there.. it is reading hands from his tables, so he can easily play 6+ tables with it. saw some groups on discord where some russian guys working on softwares like this.. for few bucks for that software (i think 70$? ), gto+ and second computer you can easily play with it.. it is insane.. imagine he could invest like 5-10k for his software, how advanced it can be.. and do you think other scumbags weren't thinking about something like this?

This, so much this. I mentioned this when the story broke.

If this all wasn't a huge problem in the games currently just wait to see what happens on the back of this story.

Kinda strange people keep speculating in this thread, how people with a brain use RTA.
There is a thread on 2+2 where the creator of such a tool for a HU-SnG ring explains in detail and even provided video material how it works. He created a huge DB of solves tha he kept updating to improve it. He used a software that read all the necessary information of the screen (cards, stacks,PS), this info was fed into a program that fetched the according solution from the DB and then showed the actions with according frequencies directly on screen (so like call 13%, fold 72%,; raise to size xy 15%).
He also gave the people detailed instructions how to use their mouse, how to use timing etc to lower the risk of getting detected.
If someone knows the thread I am talking about, feel free to pull it up.
Btw Skier had a program like this built already like 5 years ago or so....

Played a bunch with ForGermany on GG, wouldnt be surprised he's using solver/RTA also, making some huge calls in weird spots, def looks like some solver approved stuff

Didn't he bink a couple tournies?