it seems viffer is not trolling , just incredibly dumb and or ignorant to online poker



Nvm he admitted he has no clue what hes talking about

I'm confused, did you buy action before or after he told you about his dream machine? Because if it was before, I don't see how anyone could credibly be upset with you for that.

Viffer is an utter buffoon.

so this bozo was a cod youtuber who suddenly started crushing $40knl after a few months of 200nl? and nobody picked it up?

Is it my idea or Kruse played plo2k+ in N8/GG recently?

Manuel I think the majority of us has the greatest respect and are very grateful for what you have done.

Please dont feel discouraged by the internet s idiot ratio of unsatisfied poker players who are not able to see what you accomplished here.

I think some critical voices on the backers are justified though. How is it possible that henri backed him all the way to 200/400 vs Leon one might ask. But that another story for now.

You are right that this would discourage players coming forward in the furure. And it is more important to out the person who worked with and received this from FORGERMANY and stop this.

The idea that playing a game of strategy for large sums of money on your computer isn`t inviting scammy behaviour by other parties in the same ecosystem is naive.

Thus, if the sites can not (or are unwilling to) provide fairness to all parties involved, the entire ecosystem is scammy or straight up rigged.

Viffer may be an OG but he probably couldn't beat 50nl online, so you may as well take his comment like that of any other micro donk who doesn't understand.

it’s not that people don’t care - it’s that if he is using a second offline computer this is impossible for sites to detect or defend against

rip online high stakes / lets work on making sure this doesn’t kill live games too

Online high stakes poker has been thriving this year probably more than anything in the last 5-8 years despite everyone in highstakes scene most likely knowing and hearing about fedor's cheating upwards of months ago, and anyone with a brain already knowing this could be possible but has a big moral barrier stopping many people from cheating and risking their reputation + risking a lot of money and accs being banned/confiscated when caught.

No way was it not detectable. His mouse must have had no movements for at least 4-5s every time it was his turn or a new card got dealt.
Would have thought this was pretty odd/obvious

viffer is a breakeven regular tables 2nl reg

Do solvers solve 3 blind (sb + bb + straddle) with fluctating stack sizes (mostly deep though) as well as 100bb/2blind NLHE?

i think its ridiculous how some people here bash roommates manu & niklas before even talking about the RTA case itself.

while likely none of all people involved will be completely innocent imo u have to honor the courage manu and niklas have by sharing all information in a public forum and risking their own reputation outing a close friend to ensure integrity of poker games.

if they didnt share their knowledge with stars and us nobody would've known about this, fedor would've continued using RTA and they wouldn't be involved at all.

All i was saying that is that it would be nice to hear both sides of the story before everyone takes a 100% stance.

If it is confirmed that it was only two tables you bought action for, then stopped bc you realized it was wrong, and outted Fedor, I dont think it is worth getting worked up about.

For the bolded, I mean if you didn't admit to buying action of the cheater you outted, no one says one negative thing about you. It is kind of strange thing to do, you have to admit. Being on board one day and outting him later. I'd like to believe that you had a realization and stopped but it is hard to just take your word for it. Feels to me like it was alot messier of a situation than that. Im guessing Fedors incoming post will shed some light on that.

Okay so there are solvers out there for 4-5 years in public. Even longer but not publicly available.

I guess there are aaaa lot of cases like this one, the only difference beeing, that in these cases the people were not so stupid so get caught and or they deliberately deviated from time to time to not get caught


People saying pokersites can't detect this are a bit off. If someone is really playing 100% according to solver, you can detect this.

But if someone is randomly mixing it, or even has a tool which helps you put your frequency of using solver advice in some kind of normal distribution, then it literally will be impossible.

Let's say instead of always using highest ev line you implement a randomness into choosing which line to use. Even if u only use 2/3 best ev line in all spots, you still will be printing. U give up ev/money to make sure you're not too obv.

Poker will literally become a game of not who is the best but who is the best in utilizing these tools in real time.

That definitely feels like the nail in the coffin in the long run.

Don't see any way to do smt against it.

Cliffs; Always keep your apartment tidy and do your dishes

There is a bunch of good evidences in this case but unfortunately... not even close enough to prove anything..., like, real prove in a court or something like that.

+ Any site have any kind of incentive to bring justice in this case and bring this case in to the light for obvious reasons, it is a complet disaster bring this to the big public..

The maximum that will happen, i mean, the maaaaax, is a ban from pokerstars/natural8 after a ultra long investigation, but for sure the profits whas already drawn...

The sickest thing is, imagine how many guys have out there doing that in lower stakes, like nl500, nl1k, under the radar? especially in anonymous sites like ignition.., alone with no roommates without clain any atetion fron anyone ? to someone say that this is not a real possibility the person needs to be pretty inocent.. Poker moviment a loot a money, more than a bunch of other ''bussines'' when we find people cheating for much less money, is reaaaaly naive believe that this kind of things are not happend a LOOT.

pretty sad scenario for cash games in theese days, i mean, to online poker overall, but especially for cash games and even more especially for NLH where unfortunately become so ''easy'' to solve the perfect solutions

Have you ever heard of peer pressure? He wanted to sell 5% and told him that henri has 65% at the same time. In the heat of the moment I think that is excusable for a 20 year old? (As long as they outed him eventually. It takes some time and thought to out a "friend" I am guessing the age of the roommates bc fedor is 20 ish?

They lived together probably studied together.
It's a miracle they chose to make it right from the get go and or in the end if you ask me.

F man... all these people involved and even henri..

Who's to say it won't?

For starters, this thread is effectively a sequel to a previous one on the same topic. Secondly, the Postle thread took about 22 hours to get its 100th reply. Not sure where this particular post will end up, as it is going faster than I can refresh it.

Not that this is a race, but I did want to address the concern. You're absolutely correct in that Kruse's activity – and others like it – has a much wider impact.

Any chance i could hire you for 2 hours of comedy? I think you are hilarious.

None of them are innocent. Just a few of them eventually decided they didn't want the heat anymore.
Will be interesting to hear the other side of it to see what reason Fedor gives for them exposing him

From OP:

Since he almost forgot he was participating in cheating, in a way he's innocent.

Just a side note

Its really fun '' are you locking the bedroom door? '' '' Oh that is a bad, very bad signal'' ''are you cheating at poker? ''

loooooool

I never thought I'd be saying this... but Bodog/Bovada zone (aka their zoom) games actually has the best game structure to combat this type of cheating, which is a 15 seconds action clock on every decision with no timebank.

If the major sites aren't considering removing or shortening the action clock/timebank on at least their zoom games then this type of cheating will always be available and unfortunately extremely hard to detect.

And to anyone who's saying something similar "Well hurr durr what if I had 400000 cue cards with all of the solved spots written down and then flipped through them" you are missing the point entirely. There is no practical difference between having the solves offline and available through efficient indexing or online and solving in real time. Both are clearly cheating.

EDIT: Also FWIW I have a few hands of GlitchSystem in my DB (at 500z) where he made very clear EV mistakes (100% not solver approved) so maybe his strategy wasn't practical at the zoom games on PS?