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09-20-2020 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
what are these "non-intuitive" plays that are "solver-approved?" Can someone give me the cliffs on solvers and how they work (just the bare bones, not for practice) and why they're against the rules? Or point me to another thread?
It just means doing something that seems utterly ridiculous but turns out when you run it in PIO it is legit. There was plenty of talk back when Oborra was playing about this kind of thing.

Example - https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=379

Quite funny that he had some kind of RTA implemented and working well 3+ years ago and people still think the games are probably mostly clean now.
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09-20-2020 , 10:23 AM
Slightly off topic but if this is common (or will be) in online poker what are good ways to combat it as a player?

Surely one of the flaws of this is the fact that it is a simulated toy game. A player has to put in many bet sizes but also the ranges.

Would taking what people may see as less EV lines such as limping pre-flop and min 3betting get you into parts of the game tree where a cheater has not saved or searched.

Pre-flop 'solves' are only solved given specific sizings postflop where both players play gto for that toy game.

If I play odd ranges and sizings and lines pre-flop, is the difference in optimal strategy large enough that these cheaters are now playing in a way that makes them lose a lot of EV?
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09-20-2020 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackJackDegen
It just means doing something that seems utterly ridiculous but turns out when you run it in PIO it is legit. There was plenty of talk back when Oborra was playing about this kind of thing.

Example - https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=379

Quite funny that he had some kind of RTA implemented and working well 3+ years ago and people still think the games are probably mostly clean now.
I still see Oborra playing high stakes on PS, so nothing came of this claim.
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09-20-2020 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by africabrass
Yeah, an effective set of trees needs to have as many sizes as is computationally feasible. The full set in 6max already costs potentially 5 figures in server time to compute, so there are practical tradeoffs. I'm certain there are some sharp guys out there who can engineer a way to mimic more simplified strategies. Kruse seems to be more of a heavy-handed cheater with off-the-shelf type software. Not sure if anyone's looked into his multiway play, but usually that's a super good indicator if there's a large differential in skill compared to his heads-up pots, as building a full set of multiway spots for every texture would be an astronomically large computational task (if it's even possible? I haven't really looked into it).
Can't he just create a solution which incentivizes heads-up play even thought it might not be optimal he would cut those branches of of the game tree and use simplified solution like you said, which he is doing anyway since he is binning etc. And the remaining branches in multiway spots are such bad positions for other players that he is just printing.

The problem with costs of this caliber is that the person creating it is not the one profiting of of it from playing poker in my opinion, he is selling it to players maybe even leasing it for cut of the profits since hosting is expensive for such database, and the knowledge of creating/hosting/maintaining it is more profitable.
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09-20-2020 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackJackDegen
It just means doing something that seems utterly ridiculous but turns out when you run it in PIO it is legit. There was plenty of talk back when Oborra was playing about this kind of thing.

Example - https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=379

Quite funny that he had some kind of RTA implemented and working well 3+ years ago and people still think the games are probably mostly clean now.
pokerstars didn't found him guilty
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09-20-2020 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by mightberigged
what a legend
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09-20-2020 , 11:56 AM
in before gg close his account for inappropriate behavior towards one of their brand ambassadors.

meanwhile still not a single word from gg and natural8 on this cheating issue...
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09-20-2020 , 11:56 AM
Cant believe hes playing, if i were these guys, i would be worrying all the time and couldnt sleep and so on, but they playing their sundaygrinds like nothing happened.
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09-20-2020 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by mightberigged



Although its a bit of a disappointment seeing him at the tables today especially after the recent statements of how its a priority protecting integrity and ecosystem.

Hes pre-regged in Stars 5k wcoop main, probably satted. He doesnt play any other tables, so its likely stars did something about him. Would give legit props in years to stars if we saw him blinding out in that one later tbh.

Also, by voluntarily not showing up at the tables today, at least until some type of statement/apology/decision gets published, he could have shown a tiny bit of decency :/
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09-20-2020 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by XtraScratch8
I still see Oborra playing high stakes on PS, so nothing came of this claim.
what, when?
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09-20-2020 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
what, when?
Saw OBORRA sitting 5Knl 4 handed on Stars two days ago.
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09-20-2020 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by XtraScratch8
Saw OBORRA sitting 5Knl 4 handed on Stars two days ago.
well according to statsname he hasnt played on stars since august 2017, I think you may be mistaken here
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09-20-2020 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
well according to statsname he hasnt played on stars since august 2017, I think you may be mistaken here
I dunno, unless someone also playing high stakes copied his name without capitals or something. There was 100% an oborra playing.
Table was oborra, ospiel and two others I can’t recall atm.
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09-20-2020 , 07:13 PM
Was oborra banned in 2017?
I read suspicions of account being a bot.
That’s why I specifically noticed yesterday.
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09-20-2020 , 07:14 PM
And anyway, **** Kruse. Is there any official news on this or what?
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09-20-2020 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by indoripoha
pokerstars didn't found him guilty
link won't open
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09-20-2020 , 09:28 PM
new link or can't believe
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09-21-2020 , 02:40 PM
So disappointing - just imagine how many other people are doing this type of thing discreetly and how long its probably been going on. Sad news for the dream of online poker professionals.
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09-21-2020 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by StructureK
So disappointing - just imagine how many other people are doing this type of thing discreetly and how long its probably been going on. Sad news for the dream of online poker professionals.
Even when you do get caught you just get to continue on playing, sweet deal.
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09-21-2020 , 03:14 PM
kruse is still playing??


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09-21-2020 , 03:15 PM
I think they were referring to oborra
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09-21-2020 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by isunkurbttlship
I think they were referring to oborra
ok, ty
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09-21-2020 , 06:46 PM
After reading all of that now i have 2 questions:

Why the hell would you do something like that by locking yourself away from your roommates (and not using an appartment for you alone) and why would you "share" your almost secure future winnings even with others?

What's the reason behind the staking?

Got one more, why would Henri back him with so much money, without knowing that he would beat the **** out of this stakes?

Last edited by JustSome1; 09-21-2020 at 06:52 PM.
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09-21-2020 , 07:03 PM
Even playing perfect GTO, the variance is crazy. He probably just hasn't built the bankroll up enough to handle the swings. Staying in the same apt does sound pretty cheap/lazy though...
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