Of course he knew, do you think he would stake a random kid into 200/400 games? 0% chance

You’re right. It’s just a bunch of numbers. What do u even have a HUD. May as well uninstall

there isnt a button which turns on a setting that tells me how to play?

oh ok. you just said originally it tells you how to play. good you admit you were wrong

you can use a HUD and still lose. With an RTA you can only lose if you ignore its advice or the other guy has a better one

What did Johnathon Little do?

pretty much this

total waste of time tbh

I think this needs to become a crime. People would still do it, but the repercussions would at least be more of a deterrent. It's a form of fraud. Unfortunately, the gambling world has always been a bit murky, so I doubt we'll ever get to it being illegal

It looks like those on the inside are sticking with Henri Buhler.

He's still near the top of the N8 ambassadors page:

https://www.natural8.com/en/ambassadors

and he featured in a no limit gaming video on youtube yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o38G_YcNDhs&t=48s

In some countries it (it = proven cheating at gambling) is a crime.

In other countries being gay is a crime and they kill you for it.

Welcome to world...not trying to be smart, just pointing out looking for global, online collaboration to lawfully regulate any form of gambling (which is also a crime in many countries) is about as likely as me winning the jackpot in the national lottery.

SHOW MUST GO ON...

Can't disagree. It's the way the world is. I just feel the punishment should be more than just "you can't play on this site anymore"

Henri Buehler is apparently not punished at all ... his account seems to be still open for poker. Sad but true for all honest and conscientious players.

If Kruse and Buehler really have money from Leon, I don't want to be in their skin ... a broken kneecap would only be like a children's birthday party. From now on you should always turn around to see who is behind you ... horrible thought. Have fun with the money!

Sorry for my english ... translation was done with google

They are both used to gain an unfair advantage. Their levels of effectiveness is different yes. But to say something similar to HUDs would be allowed at a Live table vs something similar to RTA would not is stupidity. HUDs/RTA are both unfair and immoral imo, but since training sites use HUDs as a form to teach they are widely accepted. It's bs. Both should not be allowed online at public tables.

A hud does not give an unfair advantage bc everyone is allowed to purchase a publicly available version and not have to worry/feel guilty about breaking the rules, you cannot do the same with solver based RTA

Jonathan Little was a sponsored Full Tilt pro back in the day and had a 100% rakeback.
He shared his account with a friend to get the maximum hours of grinding in.

Can we please stop this debate?

A HUD is RTA. It assists you. In real time. End of discussion. Is it as effective as having Pio solutions, perhaps not. But it is something that 'assists' you, in 'real time'. By definition it is RTA. Can we move on form that? Anyone who says it isn't, is wrong.

However, HUDs are quite often allowed, and it is understood that your opponent in a hand may have a HUD. What Fedor has allegedly done is very different, but it is also RTA. I think we should go the Run It Once way and have anonymous players, which removed some HUD advantage and we should find good ways to get rid of the Fedor Kruse RTA

A HUD doesn't tell what button to click, RTA does. Big difference that you seem to miss in your incoherent rants.

time to start saying solver or dream machine because rta is too confusing for the average nvg pleb.

pretty sad that you have to explain this, it should be common sense to everybody. most hud stats are useless without a decent sample, that doesn't apply to rta.

Don't want to derail topic so this my last post on the subject... But do HUDs not show real time statistics of opponents? Such as how often they call/bet flop, turn, river, etc. And all that updates in real time... I'm not sure how that can't be seen as real time assistance and advantage.

What Kruse did is obviously wrong. But there should be a discussion too about HUD use. Because people think it's perfectly fine to use HUDs yet we are seeing half the sites that don't allow them (imo is correct) vs others allowing... and you have players complaining they can't use them. HUDs are disingenuous, in an online enviornment you don't know who is using them. That is advantageous and unfair, and they update in real time.

From end of pads/bencb podcast hilarious quote pads said Fedor Kruse told him yesterday (After refusing to post in this thread + not showing up to podcast after saying he would do both to give his POV)

"He told me he would post in 2+2 monday, then said he might join podcast but never ended up. He said he was with stars and felt like he was in court where piosolver was the judge and simplepostflop was the attorney"


lmaoooo how does a cheater get surprised when a site is investigating him for it to be serious. Dudes 23 and acts like a 15 yr old.

Another quote pads mentioned is that fedor told him if hes playing same stakes as these guys everyone is prob using assistance/help in some way - 'you look at around at mtt players and everyone has a chart open so its easy to assume its ok' and pads defending that from fedor saying hes young and doesn't know better.. mind blown.

I haven't ranted. I simply understand that RTA means real time assistance. And if something provides your poker game assistance in real-time, then clearly it is RTA.

I don't miss what you're saying. They are clearly different. But both are RTA. So maybe focus on the difference, rather than say things like a HUD isn't RTA. Because it clearly is.

I think we agree. That's what I said. A HUD is Real time assistance. It's obvious.

Yes and not to completely excuse other young players that made mistakes and were `welcomed back` in the poker comunity there are levels to this imo

Level 1 Jonathan Little account sharing for max rakeback (`stealing from Full Tilt and unfair quite small disadvantage for opponents who assume they are playing against Little - still definitely breaking the rules though

Level 11 Fedor Kruse / Buhlero?

I think that Kruse case is much bigger than just bot-people winning in the game. Ben said one very important thing: if that guy played with RTA for half of the year, his learning process is insane, he might easily see what is doing well according to gto and what is not vs pool tendencies, the spots are very repeatable. So someone can just grind midstakes or not well known softwares and then just stop using it and go higher, he will know the theory and how to adjust even vs other pool. The top of the cash games players also had their upswings in PIO solver meta. Everyone says that LLinusLove can't cheat because he was proving himself on the live cash games. Probably he didn't, but can we be sure about it right now? He might use those kind of tools long time ago, he just doesn't need it anymore. And that's the problem, it feels like it's really not safe to play online anymore. Another big thing, in my eyes Kruse made a huge financial fraud, he has basically stolen big amount of money from the other players. That case should go to the court, he should pay back the whole money and go to jail. But online poker is global and noone talk about that. I don't know if GG poker has a power to do something about it, but in my opinion they should have and they should do something.

And is it specified on Pokerstars website that RTA is not allowed? I could not find it, but didn't look for it too carefully to be honest.

What I found is that "Any tool or service that offers real-time advice on what action to take through reading of the current game state (a ‘bot’)."

HUD's are allowed. Setups/softwares that offer advice how to play based on current game state are not allowed. This is really so difficult to understand?