If these stats are close to optimal play, wouldn't any player who stumbles onto those stats be more likely to be near the top of this list?

If that's the case you'd get a cluster of very similar stats near the top of the winners list without foul play being part of it. Not sure how statistically likely that is, but ACR has a big player pool so this might pan out?

Then why is this phenomenon not seen on PokerStars?

it very much is

Tyler is not really around the last several months dealing with real world stuff. The other guys are though including the main stat cruncher.

Happy to intro you to them OP. They're in my discord. They're very very smart with this stuff. Chico was just one of many networks in the botfarm we exposed.

Feel free to do so

If people are still wondering if bots are still playing on WPN. There is the picture of top 5 plo100 winners over last 12 months on wpn, actually every "player" except one up to 18th place on top winners list has almost identical stats as in picture. If you check at Stars plo100 winners list players stats differ vastly.

Wheres nanonoku when you need him...

When Naggy was on poker life pod he seemed like a decent guy, idk how on earth this could continue for so many years. ACR was the first site I ever played on, I lost that first deposit playing plo cash, and all the accounts I was nervous about ended up being confirmed bots (usually with multiple acc's at the same table). Beyond the bots there were the ddos attacks, crashes around big events/guarantees, rb issues, etc. I'd be fascinated to know what's happening behind the scenes.

I'll PM you an invite.

It's quite simple. Unregulated online poker is illegal in the US. People running illegal US facing gambling sites, probably are not actually nice guys, nor care about the rules.

Sent you PM on discord. That amount of hands is accurate? There is interest if that is the case.

Wow I just logged on to Americas card room to play some poker for the first time in years and after about two hours of playing blitz $05/.10 and I quickly realize that 70% of the player pool were bots.

This is so sad. Big FU to WPN, ACR etc

how do you 'realize' that 70% of them are bots?

And why do you think if somebody owned a bot that was destroying 10nl they wouldn't move it up to I don't know say 25nl?

Yo, just because a player is located in eastern Europe, and isn't a losing player, doesn't mean they're a bot. Maybe after another 120 minutes of lifetime play you'll see that.

"Wow", ..................the introductory phrase which invites one to STOP right there and read no further, ever.

See, also "Wow, just wow".

What about Borvada? Weird messages to my account. Anybody know?

The masochist in me always likes to read on.

Risk management? Account forfeiture is part of the equation and cost of doing business. 2.5x compounds quickly.

Anyone have the graph of the recent belarussian accounts to flood the midstakes mtts on the site. they all play a very similar aggro style, acr say no bots anymore but if they aint bots its some ring/stable cause they all play too similar and are crushing the games

well i saw some acr reps posting stuff on twitter about how good acr is re: bots, which means hte problem has likely gotten worse recently if they're sending out the pr team

something I've found that's pretty interesting about bot behavior is they tend to just stay where they're winning at. It ends up being a fairly reliable sign someone is botting because people running these things tend to play it safe and not move up in case they're banned

Anyone else here have weird stuff happen on ACR after August 1st, 2020?



The image above is my Holdem Manager graph pre August 1st 2020




The image above here is after 8/1/2020



The red line shows that either I got neutered, hacked, or somehow I just magically get called on every bluff now??? I don't get it. And before anyone says "You suck, get better", I'm not losing heaps on the site, and I'm still making money on WSOP and Betonline. The image below is my sharkscope graph for WPN



And below I'm putting some of the graphs of a couple top 20 players on ACR for 2021 that seem odd






Winning player and then... Chop the nuts off! Is this real?



Comes out the gate like a beast in the first 2k games. Then... Did the bots gather data and now the guy basically breaks even for the next 10k games??? Someone help me understand...




Plays first 10k games, winning player but nothing special. Then... GOD MODE for the next 2k games!... Then... 6k games of breakeven/losing/1 big tourney win... Then back to chopping the balls off... Does this seem normal?

Seriously asking for feedback

The most logical answer I think is multiple people using same account. I know verified accounts are sold on lots of sites, get offered all the time.

That first graph is very interesting, I'd love to know the player name....

I know how bad this has affected me mentally, so I didn't and still don't really wanna put the names out there. But I've given enough info for people to be able to find it...

But one thing also, Rob Kuhn tweeted this



He says that "testing suspected bots have to go through is unbeatable from what we were told".

I underlined and bolded the last part, because that's just sales talk. All Sales is in reality, is a transfer of belief. People who make money off ACR, transferred a BS belief to the "site reps", and now they are repeating it, trying to get us, the customers, to believe it with them.

People in sales use phrases like "what we were told" because it removes the salesman from being called a liar. Responsibility isn't on the person "who was told", it's on the person who told them. It's simple sales language and he also used the "feel, felt, found" sales tactic...

We "feel" what you were saying about bots
So we "felt" we needed to have a meeting
We found that Bots actually have to through testing

Rob may not realize he's in a sales pitch almost every second when talking to "the acr people", but he is. And he's just repeating literally the most basic things used in sales. Since were talking about a product that people are addicted to, most people wouldn't need to use anything other than basic sales tools to convince a majority of the prospects to continue using their product.



Sales BS aside, if this was the case that the testing bots have to go through is unbeatable, then wouldn't the bots just BOT IT UP until they get tested, and then create new accounts? There should be an easy way to see this. If ACR only has 100 people opening new accounts in the USA each month, but 20,000 from Belarus, Brazil, and Russia, we can safely assume that it's not a poker boom going on in those countries, it's just bots not passing the test, and then saying f*** it and creating new bot accounts? Am I wrong?

How many new accounts from Americans are made on ACR each month? How many accounts from other countries?

If I ran a business and 3 countries were suspected of having bot setups, I would tell my team to make sure we watch how many new accounts are created from those countries. Yet, every time I play on ACR, it's more Belarus, more Brazil, and more Russian players than I've ever seen.

All we need is the data of who is creating new accounts. I play poker in Vegas and have not ever heard one person say, that they just opened an account on ACR. I've played with people who play on ACR, but all of them have been playing for years. Obviously personal bias and small sample size, but still, you'd think the site with the largest prize pools in the US would have some people jumping in to play.

Main point tho, is there any way to force ACR's hand in being transparent about where new accounts are coming from? This shouldn't be a bad thing unless it's all bots. Knowing the data of your current target market is essential in running a business and selling a product imo

And here's another graph just to keep things entertaining. This guy makes 140k, then goes on a 1200 buy in downswing? Feels like someone else got neutered