I play a lot of tournaments on ACR. I don't play cash on ACR. I do think there's bots even in the tournaments, but I don't think the graphs are evidence of anything much. It's very common that players beat lower stakes and then move up or have a heater when they move up and then the player pool figures them out.

Those graphs are all normal winning player graphs. The swings are just that crazy and the players are good. The players use HUD software minimum and counter any type of exploit built into your base game. There's no harder place for an american to play online, so the graphs are normal. Those players are probably firing hard at HUGE fields and not playing much volume in the lower variance middle of the day small stuff.

If a player doesn't work and advance (and get lucky) when they move up they get left behind, and it looks like those graphs when they dont move down quickly.

Even if there are zero bots, the site is aids. But its filled with bot and rakeback grinders. Not fun to play at all.

Now they turned the chat off so you can't even warn amateurs when they're playing against bots.

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wouldn't be surprised if ACR runs the bots themselves

What's your username on ACR if you don't mind me asking? Just curious. And I've played online poker for over a decade. I've never seen anything like ACR. Everyone except the select few who run above expectation, or are paid by the site, seem to agree that something beyond reality is going on at ACR.

And players usually beat low stakes, take a shot, lose, and go back down. These players seemed to have beaten low stakes, taken a shot at high stakes (debatable), lost, and just kept punting? Or, maybe they beat low stakes, started to move up, lost, and by the time they got back to low/mid stakes, all the bots have collectively made the game that much harder to beat, and now they're just "losing players?" Or are you and all the "ACR regs" just such hard workers, it's too advanced for us to even understand?

Multiple bots at the same table is terrible for players. Card removal effects are huge. How big are blockers these days? Being at a table with 5-7 people from Brazil, Belarus, or Russia is an everyday occurrence now on ACR. Why? Because they get away with the most obvious cheating in online poker. At least Bryn Kenny was slick with it. Still had a good public image aside from the cheating. Can't say the same for ACR.

And one could argue the late reg, knockouts, and re entry that ACR glorifies are perfect for bots/cheaters. They see a guarantee isn't being met, so they flood the tournament at the last second with bots/horses/cheating SOB's. The site likes this because now they meet the guarantee. The incentive is money, and the bots help them not lose it. Simple

And in a KO or PKO, they can chip dump, or just unluckily lose to the people they are cheating with or in a stable with, and now they don't lose 100% equity of the buy in. The other horse/cheater/bot, collects some of the equity that you lose. The rules have been changed so that when cheaters do have a cooler happen, they now lose less equity. What a world we live in.

It's almost as if people/cheaters/bot groups have convinced all these sites and tournament directors, to add Late Reg/Re Entry/Pkos to EVERY F****** tourney, just so they can minimize how much equity they lose as a group. It's the BS argument of, "we're doing this for the players so they can Re Enter and have a another chance to win big! Whooo!"... When in reality, they're doing it to cheat the game in totality.

We all saw when the Westgate let Mike Matusow buy in for less right? I'm a fan of Mike but, if you don't know what I'm talking about:



Simply, the tournament directors gave Mike Matusow and a couple of his buddies 1/2 off for the $1650 main event. They did this because they were going to have a large overlay in their tournament. This happened in Vegas, which is maybe the most regulated gambling destination in the world.

If something like that can happen in Vegas, you don't think that if an online poker site sees they're gonna miss the guarantee by 100k, they wouldn't have people/backing groups/bots come in to fill the tournament?

Whether all sites or any sites have backing groups/bots/late reg fillers to help meet the guarantees, the point is that they have incentive to. EVERY ONLINE POKER SITE THAT OFFERS GUARANTEES, HAS INCENTIVE TO HAVE PEOPLE/BOTS/CHEATERS FILL THE GAMES TO MEET THE GUARANTEE.

When you can find out people's incentives, you can practically predict what they will do

I recently got back into online cash game poker after a decade. I play on ACR and Ignition (200nl) and I crush Ignition and yet break even pretty much on ACR. Sample size of over 10k hands on each. It always feels like I am up against a brick wall on ACR. I never knew what to attribute it to, but if their are bots I guess that would be one reason. Something just feels off about ACR cash games, just an anecdote but I thought I would offer it.

its not because of bots, acr is way harder than ignition

10k hands is nothing, just statistical noise really. But it is way more likely you're actually beating ignition than acr if you haven't played cash games in a decade. There are way more fish on ignition than acr, and any decent 200nl reg on either site is going to absolutely destroy you, but especially on acr

Slugant and whitemares nailed it. ACR is a lot harder competition than a bunch of anonymous donks.

When someone reports feeling like the games are difficult/off, and we know there are bots in the games, it is a part of that feeling.

Not denying the amount of bots. They exist on all poker sites and they are beatable.

How cute you believe you can exploit a program designed to not be exploitable that likely shares card information with every iteration of itself at your table.

Not my fault you're a trash poker player. It might be time to step away from it all, grandpa.

And not my fault you are trying to convince the sheep to be fleeced by scam sites that allow bots. How much are you being paid to con the fools?

Every poker site that has remotely decent traffic has bots. It is part of playing online poker. If you don't like it, I suggest you go play live. There are more people your age at casinos anyways.

Everything going alright in your personal life? You seem disproportionately angered by all of this. Who hurt you?

That troll attempt wasn’t even good. Try harder.

You likely have a valid point ....

Many, many years ago there was a poker network with different licensees/skins that were variously primarily poker-focused or primarily offerings from sportsbooks.

The cross-cage flow from sportsbettors to poker players was massively tilted from Sports/poker skins to the solely poker player skins. In that fish-rich an environment, moderately skilled poker players seldom even made deposits beyond their initial sign up.

Sonny, I'm not your grandpa, but respect your elders.

You have a point, however. I know for a fact that there were bots playing on Party Poker over 20 years ago.

Should I sh*t on someone's age over the Internet because of their opinions on bots to become a better troll, keyboard warrior?

If you want respect simply for being old, perhaps don’t come at people simply for having a different opinion than you. Don’t want none, don’t start none.

Your troll skills still lacking. Keyboard warrior.

im guessing nick means the games are beatable, not the bots

The games and the bots are beatable. If you're on the right discord channels, they keep a list of bots and discuss how to beat them.

I play on there and get the bot test every so often it pops up some days more then others how would a bot get around this?