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02-02-2016 , 01:20 PM
Such a depressing read, felt like I was right there with you after each line.

Pretty sick world we live in. Both the gambling world and third world countries. Be careful my friends.
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02-02-2016 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Kanu
Thanks for sharing the story, crazy stuff. Unfortunately you now get to lose any faith in humanity you gained in the camp by having to read the drivel from the mandatory idiots here who read that story and feel the need to try to sound smart by pointing out what you did wrong. As if you haven't realised already what you did wrong.
Yeah this 100% if someone gets caught speeding they deserve a ticket and they certainly did something wrong but they don't deserve jail time. If someone tries to get past customs in a somewhat backhanded way they deserve a small fine or whatever but to compare the police making things up on the fly to being similar to OP trying to get >10K through customs by splitting it with his friend is ludicrous.
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02-02-2016 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Kanu
Thanks for sharing the story, crazy stuff. Unfortunately you now get to lose any faith in humanity you gained in the camp by having to read the drivel from the mandatory idiots here who read that story and feel the need to try to sound smart by pointing out what you did wrong. As if you haven't realised already what you did wrong.
+1
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02-02-2016 , 01:38 PM
"I asked about declaring it, and they said actually because I’m travelling with a friend and I have under $20k I can just give them a few thousand so that I’m under $10k and don’t have to declare."

stopped reading here, anything that happens after this is your own fault
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02-02-2016 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by PCA_Refugee
And at many borders (including my home country) what we did IS fine, because you're allowed to have up to $10k x how many people you're travelling with total, and 1 person can hold it all. Ex. a family of 4 could have 1 person holding 12k for a trip and not have to declare. I just wasn't a savvy traveller or familiar with the nuances of U.S. customs. Needless to say, I read the fine print on customs forms now.
I don't know where you are from, but in both the US and the EU, what you say is only true for family members. Splitting up money between friends to avoid declaring it is not legal.

Read the whole story, really crazy. Happy for you it turned out way better than it could have.
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02-02-2016 , 01:56 PM
I don't understand how you could be so dumb as to yourself through something like this.

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I mean putting yourself through a twoplustwo thread about your misfortune.

As for the actual story, well that's part of the variance of being a young incautious traveller I suppose - when I was young I entered Milosevic's Yugoslavia without a visa which would have been "my fault" if anything worse had happened that what did.
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02-02-2016 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by madlex
I don't know where you are from, but in both the US and the EU, what you say is only true for family members.
Actually I think what I said is NOT true for family members in the U.S., and if you're travelling with a family member and you have over 10k combined you can get in trouble.

I think the play is to ask customs officials at the airport if there's ANY doubt.
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02-02-2016 , 02:06 PM
Wow sorry you had to go through such an ordeal but thanks for sharing to help others avoid a similar fate. Very scary what can happen in other countries.
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02-02-2016 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by LektorAJ
I don't understand how you could be so dumb as to yourself through something like this.

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I mean putting yourself through a twoplustwo thread about your misfortune.

As for the actual story, well that's part of the variance of being a young incautious traveller I suppose - when I was young I entered Milosevic's Yugoslavia without a visa which would have been "my fault" if anything worse had happened that what did.
Read the first part and just thought you were being an a**hole. Glad I scrolled back up and read the spoiler part. Well played.
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02-02-2016 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by AZMountainHiker
I stopped reading after you called the poker players from the previous thread victims.
wow you're so cool

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Originally Posted by macgyverlol
I like how OP chastises the Bahamian police for "making things up as they go along" when in fact he did the exact same thing in the first place trying to get his cash out of the country instead of just declaring it like he should have.
This post is ******ed.

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Originally Posted by Hendricks
If Pokerstars had any decency (yeah right) or concerns for their players then they would be moving the PCA event to a different venue for numerous reasons in time for 2017. Their numbers are dwindling year on year and the stories being relayed on here as well as many being told at other events are going to see them continue to drop.
yup, but as we know they dont have any decency.

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02-02-2016 , 02:30 PM
Thanks for the share, OP. Captivating read, as stated by others your writing is very good.
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02-02-2016 , 02:50 PM
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Not sure why you still believe you did nothing wrong. You were asked (via official government form) if you were bringing $10,000 or more into the U.S. and you were.
It is TERRIFYING (in this thread and in the similar) how many people subscribe to the logic "You should have known better, it's the law".

Roman law was a law that said you could leave an infant to the wolves if the sex of the baby was wrong.
Church law said you could burn a woman at the stake for wrong constellation of birth marks.
USA law said a ***** could be a slave.
UK law said suicide is punishable by prison.
Sheria law is a f****king law.

"Stone them bitches, they should have known better"

Those laws may look backward from today's perspective but ours will look the same if this sorry civilization ever evolves.

And while most people would consent that randomly killing a family should be punishable tell me what is SO WRONG with carrying 5-nights of hotel accommodation and a bottle of wine worth in your pocket.

THEY ARE ALLOWED TO PRINT IT OUT OF THIN AIR, COUNTERFEIT IT IN FACT, BUT WHEN YOU EARNED IT HARD THEY CAN RAPE YOU FOR CARRYING IT.

The saddest part is that so many see nothing wrong with it.
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02-02-2016 , 03:05 PM
Thanks for sharing. I guess Bahamas will not be my next vacation destination.
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02-02-2016 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Kanu
Thanks for sharing the story, crazy stuff. Unfortunately you now get to lose any faith in humanity you gained in the camp by having to read the drivel from the mandatory idiots here who read that story and feel the need to try to sound smart by pointing out what you did wrong. As if you haven't realised already what you did wrong.
lol. perfect.
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02-02-2016 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Sect7G
That's if the border guard is honest. What's to stop him from putting 4.5k in his pocket and then saying that you didn't declare the 10.5k? Sure he's lying... but how is that going to help you?
Well then, I guess we should all just stay home in our houses where we're safe.
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02-02-2016 , 03:25 PM
Amazing story, thank you for sharing and I'm glad you got out OK. My only criticism is I wished you had posted it sooner so there'd be enough time to get that clothespin tournament on the 2016 WSOP schedule.
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02-02-2016 , 03:43 PM
The poker rooms and/or PokerStars should be educating people that leave the poker room with large sums of money about what is and is not allowed at the border. A pamphlet at the cage given to anyone with over 10k (or near 10k even) that says "this is what you can and can't do at customs with money" should be effective.

There should also be some higher officials involved to make these things more clear. You're talking about tough laws designed for one thing (drug laundering) being applied harshly for some misunderstandings on actual poker winnings.

It doesn't really seem in anybody's best interest for the status quo to continue.
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02-02-2016 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by dumboldguy
My only criticism is I wished you had posted it sooner so there'd be enough time to get that clothespin tournament on the 2016 WSOP schedule.
Hahahaha I'm dead
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02-02-2016 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Riorin
It is TERRIFYING (in this thread and in the similar) how many people subscribe to the logic "You should have known better, it's the law".

Roman law was a law that said you could leave an infant to the wolves if the sex of the baby was wrong.
Church law said you could burn a woman at the stake for wrong constellation of birth marks.
USA law said a ***** could be a slave.
UK law said suicide is punishable by prison.
Sheria law is a f****king law.

"Stone them bitches, they should have known better"

Those laws may look backward from today's perspective but ours will look the same if this sorry civilization ever evolves.

And while most people would consent that randomly killing a family should be punishable tell me what is SO WRONG with carrying 5-nights of hotel accommodation and a bottle of wine worth in your pocket.

THEY ARE ALLOWED TO PRINT IT OUT OF THIN AIR, COUNTERFEIT IT IN FACT, BUT WHEN YOU EARNED IT HARD THEY CAN RAPE YOU FOR CARRYING IT.

The saddest part is that so many see nothing wrong with it.
Amen, brother!
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02-02-2016 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy
The poker rooms and/or PokerStars should be educating people that leave the poker room with large sums of money about what is and is not allowed at the border. A pamphlet at the cage given to anyone with over 10k (or near 10k even) that says "this is what you can and can't do at customs with money" should be effective.

There should also be some higher officials involved to make these things more clear. You're talking about tough laws designed for one thing (drug laundering) being applied harshly for some misunderstandings on actual poker winnings.

It doesn't really seem in anybody's best interest for the status quo to continue.
100%. It would be that easy for them to help prevent a lot of future cases from happening.
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02-02-2016 , 04:07 PM
Dude you have a serious knack for creative writing.
Your ability to descriptively describe your 5 days of hell so well is unreal.
It was like a movie reading that.
Its a great story for the grand kids.
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02-02-2016 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Riorin
The saddest part is that so many see nothing wrong with it.
Maybe you should dig some hiding hole in the mountains if you hate the government so much. LOL at comparing tax and customs law to any of your examples
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02-02-2016 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy
The poker rooms and/or PokerStars should be educating people that leave the poker room with large sums of money about what is and is not allowed at the border. A pamphlet at the cage given to anyone with over 10k (or near 10k even) that says "this is what you can and can't do at customs with money" should be effective.

There should also be some higher officials involved to make these things more clear. You're talking about tough laws designed for one thing (drug laundering) being applied harshly for some misunderstandings on actual poker winnings.

It doesn't really seem in anybody's best interest for the status quo to continue.
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Originally Posted by PCA_Refugee
100%. It would be that easy for them to help prevent a lot of future cases from happening.
It's quite easy to prevent this happening.

Declare the money.
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02-02-2016 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by kerr
Having to declare 10k is BS. Hasn't it been 10k in most countries since forever? Point being, 10k was once a lot of money, these days not so much. The declaration limit should be higher.
If anything is going to happen to that 10k limit in the near future, I'd be willing to bet that the new number will be lower.

Right now there's some consideration in some countries to disallow cash purchases >5k. All efforts go towards making money laundering and financing terrorism as hard as possible, even if it also makes things more difficult for regular people.
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02-02-2016 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Riorin
It is TERRIFYING (in this thread and in the similar) how many people subscribe to the logic "You should have known better, it's the law".

Roman law was a law that said you could leave an infant to the wolves if the sex of the baby was wrong.
Church law said you could burn a woman at the stake for wrong constellation of birth marks.
USA law said a ***** could be a slave.
UK law said suicide is punishable by prison.
Sheria law is a f****king law.

"Stone them bitches, they should have known better"

Those laws may look backward from today's perspective but ours will look the same if this sorry civilization ever evolves.

And while most people would consent that randomly killing a family should be punishable tell me what is SO WRONG with carrying 5-nights of hotel accommodation and a bottle of wine worth in your pocket.

THEY ARE ALLOWED TO PRINT IT OUT OF THIN AIR, COUNTERFEIT IT IN FACT, BUT WHEN YOU EARNED IT HARD THEY CAN RAPE YOU FOR CARRYING IT.

The saddest part is that so many see nothing wrong with it.
Wow some reason in this thread. "Its the law" is the dumbest argument ever. Its not even worthy of being considered an argument.
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