this still makes absolutely no sense to me.

If they gave a high volume / reg player $200 in rake back ON monday . And that player then used that money to buyin to tourny on Tuesday at the last minute, would you feel that is unfair.

What the heck is the difference between above and what they do?

confused

do players have a right to tell a site how to allocate their marketing /promo dollars ?

His post from the global poker rigtard thread


"Screenname: rUeTaMa.
Sustained 100%-120% avg roi at MTT over entire span at global poker.

It’s rigged.
I’ve posted 7 different hands on the Facebook group where I correctly folded KK pre (AA was out). 3 were hand history’s 2 were videos and 2 were screenshots. AA was shown in 6/7 instances for verification and the player claimed he had AA in the 7th in chat but that’s the only one where what I posted didn’t verify AA was actually out.
On 7/4 I won the $33 2r1a 10k (again...yawn) and picked up KK with a 10k stack right before break at 100/200. Told my friend AA was out and should fold but “lol **** it” called anyway and was right. AA was out and held. Back to 4k. Would have been 8/8 on expoit folding KK pre when all the factors for the rigged setup were present.

There are no spots I folded it and AA wasn’t out. There ARE spots I didn’t fold it and AA was out—so I’m not 100% on hero folding KK when AA is out but I am 100% correct the times I’ve folded KK.

The sight runs huge sng losers and cash losers hot in the bigger tourneys. If you have a high roi at MTTs you literally cannot win a meaningful pot at cash games. It steals your money to redistribute thus more churn = more rake.
The site uses and elo like rating system that scores players, most likely based on avg cEV/hand played. It skews the equity in every spot toward the player with the lower rating ...so if you’re a good player Vs a slightly worse reg your 80/20 is like 77/33 but Vs a fish you’re like 70/30. (Also if the worse player has the 80/20 he still gets an equity boost so better player has 12-18% instead of 20%—ever notice when fish has best hand it seems to always hold??)

This elo like rating system constantly self corrects: when you win a pot your rating increases and when you lose one (even if it’s one where you were favorite and had equity shifted to the worse player) it lowers. So you’ll get less equity stolen in your next confrontation than you did before. This is also why the equities run closer to reality between good regs (and also in the higher stakes nightly tourneys as a whole bc it’s mostly regs)

This is the way it’s rigged. The result IS to lower win rates and thus increase churn (more rake)

Some other global stuff:
It almost always doubles most of the short stacks within 2 of the bubble and tends to setup winning regs with hands they know we will get in as “standard” bc we don’t worry about the bubble. This guarantees one +EV player busts and moves the entire fish group still in up pay grades.
If you blind down to almost nothing it almost always delivers a “real hand” in your forced allin bb (you don’t win it any abnormal amount of the time but you almost always get a hand you’d have shoved 10bbs with )"

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...=#post54055672

Seems legit!

YellowFever - There are streamers who have similar ROIs on sites over larger samples. You pointing out one person who is crushing proves absolutely nothing. Also, your post sounds like the rantings of a paranoid person. This is speculation, but I'm guessing you're just a losing player who can't deal with that fact.

Amateur_backwards - I am calling your bluff on "Hard Evidence".

Thats not my post thats his from the riggie thread.

Hahaha, my bad!

There is a thread on the Global Poker Players Forum Facebook page where someone admits to receiving this benefit. This is a 3rd person, not the 2 I have hard evidence of.

Also, I now have found out that at least one recipient of the free entry is a paid global affiliate

How does me thinking the site is rigged have any bearing on the question of whether Global replacing a $4k-6k overlay at the end of late reg every week with 20-30 winning midstakes regs (who normally don’t play that high) is an ethical concern? How does my opinion of the rng affect whether this practice negatively impacts the players who bought in?

As to whether my “allegations” are true they’ve been verified in the Facebook forum and someone can post screenshots of that if they want. Also as to whether it’s ethical, there’s a poll on my Twitter (realruetama) showing the majority of people believe it’s both unethical AND harmful to the players who are already in, with the second biggest block of votes saying it is harmful to those already in.

And again, it’s now come to light some recipients are paid affiliates

Did you read the posters description of what your post sound like? "Also, your post sounds like the rantings of a paranoid person" You've already shown that you'll make outlandish claims against this site without providing evidence.

Maybe what your saying is true. Then post evidence. Nobody is going to take a proven riggie seriously without evidence.

yeh, I mean I'm sure there's a bunch of reasons why regulars, recreational players alike would think this practice isn't legit (rightly or wrongly) my point was that the one thing the site's ARE doing is fulfilling the guarantees, as some posts suggested otherwise.

I can see both sides of the argument, giving away seats to regulars in tournaments you will almost certainly overlay feels like a a reasonable thing to do, if you are giving seats to people who would play anyway that seems terrible business, if every tournament is full of people who are there for free it kind of makes a bit of a mockery of the tournament. Probably smarter to just increase promotions or decrease the guarantees in that instance as it's just not working.

There is a Facebook group of players from this site and multiple players have come forward confirming OP's claim.

Okay, you guys keep taking about this secret group and all these people, but no one shows proof? Why would anyone take you guys seriously?

One person claimed to get a ticket during the registration period but it had an expiration date in January not for that specific tournament. That guy is kind of all over the place and no proof given when the ticket was actually issued.

This seems like a really silly idea to me. I don't see how this helps them, or the player base as a whole.

If this is going to happen, you should want them to be targeting players, in a way that will help the site grow.

It has the potential to allow them to target who the money goes to, though. If done well, it's possible it could be an overall positive.

I'm curious how you feel about sites targeting promotions to specific groups of players. Not sure how much of this goes on now, but it used to be done on a regular basis on many sites (often "secretly") - deposit bonuses for players who hadn't been on the site for a while, promotions that targeted losing players, etc.

They can tell sites whatever they like - whether the site chooses to listen to them is another matter. But yes, since players have a vested interest on the success of a poker site's promotions, I think it makes sense to give their feedback.

If Bobo Fett wants to pm me on Facebook or Twitter (both methods that I can easily send pics through) I will happily show him all my proof on the condition he confirms here I have the proof but doesn’t publish the pics

Just email them to me - my email address is in my profile.

And no, I wouldn't publish anything you asked me not to.

Give me a few minute and I will email them.

Quickly want to address your question re: targeted giveaways.
Giving it away ahead of tourney is fine. Global is risking money in the event they get 230 players (50k/$218). They actually have to stock the prize pool with that extra $218 then.

That is NOT what they are doing. They are only giving seats away which are overlaid at the very end of the late reg. This means they are risking zero—ever.
Instead they are taking equity from one group of players who paid full price for said equity, and redistributing it to another group of players.
That’s the unethical part

Proof sent, please confirm when get it Bobo

I'm not sure I follow about risking zero. The situation doesn't stop them from losing the money.

Also, I don't follow with "paid full price for said equity". You're getting exactly what you paid for. You may have hoped for an overlay, but it's not guaranteed to you.

Got them, and all they give me is a 404 error.

https://www.google.com/****da39-eb5c...e-294c6e6110f5

I asterisked out the first four characters just to be safe in this post. But none of the links work.

iphone mail fish (i am). just tried again

Glolbal poker is probably trying to keep up the guarantee number. The alternative would be they lower the guarantee. Which would a player prefer?

So long as the freeloaders are not giving a share back to the site, I see no problem.

I don’t play the Glolbal donkaments anyway. The structure is ****.

This thread was double / cross posted... Official response from Global Poker at this link:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...5&postcount=27

Just when I was going to post about OP's evidence - guess there's no need now. But it did appear to be legit, and Global's response would seem to confirm it.

We might as well quote their response here as well:

Still have no idea what you are apologizing for ?

You gave some players free seats in a MTT.

Your marketing dollars. You can do whatever you want with them imo.

You don’t understand simple gambling ethics.

The marketing dollars are already spent and owed to the overlay when players don’t meet the guarantee on their own. They “marketed” a 50k prizepool. When it’s 42k naturally, it costs them 8k to make it up, paid directly to the players who enter. The 8k has already been spent.

It’s not ethical to take some of that 8k and give it to other players. That’s stealing from the natural entrants

They said it was going to be a 50K gtd, you got a 50K gtd.

What on earth are you crying about?

Saying they stole 8K from players because those players were not allowed to take advantage of a potential overlay is absurd.