Great user name + post combo

the amount of hands a live-player gets to play during a year is probably at best a couple of 10k? One could run like a god for the entire pokerboom and still have quite the chance to actually be a losing player.
Not to mention the tournament players who binked a couple and became known as "great players".

Anti-poker right wing? How does that kool-aid taste? Do you really think poker legislation is affected by one side? If it were we would have seen this issue wrapped up three years ago. DUCY?

The Obamatron zombies tend to be slightly myopic.

^ seems plausible. going from (possibly nsfw)

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The other shop is amazing but this needs more love than it has thus received

Also the keanu meme nearly made me spit coffee

No this simply means, he was a lucky winning donkaments, and now his luck has run out.. Similar to Phil Hellmuth..

For sure, those 11 bracelets were all won on luck. Same with all those countless final tables and the 13 million in tournament winnings were all luck as well. Seriously I have read a lot of dumb sh*t on here in the past but I think you sir trump them all with that statement.

It's a good candidate, but with that said there's also posts like these:

did you read http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...l#post31890489 before posting?

I dont care what anyone says Hellmuth is a Boss. Until multiple people best his highest bracelet figure theres nothing to be said.

Away from the table hes actually quite soft spoken and a nice. He invited us all out for drinks after he lost to Eric HU in the Stud 8/b 10k bracelet.

LOL at onlinetards who don't realize that the skill in live poker >>>>>> the skill in online "poker," and that the huge skill edge in real poker means many, many fewer hands need to be played to prove edge.

Please don't be the moron who thinks he's played "more hands of poker than Doyle" when in fact you haven't played any hands, you've only played that watered down LOL poor-man's version of poker known as "online" poker (or not; you can give us a speech about how video poker players play more hands than Doyle, too, if you want, wtf).

But it is true that tourney poker entails so little skill that respecting people for winning tourneys in pointless. And let's face it, what NVG means by "live pro" is "someone who's won enough donkaments that I recognize his name."

But those aren't live pros. Just like degen regs hanging around card rooms are not live pros. And most relevant to this thread, degen regs who go on a donkament run are not "super live pros." They're just degen regs who went on a donkament run, got famous, and then got sponsored, apparently because online players are attracted to sites endorsed by degen regs who went on donkament runs.

So ultimately all this problem stems from the online player's love for name players, a love NOT shared by (a naivete not shared by) ... live pros (the real ones, who for decades have been telling name players to go away, I'm not staking you).

I don't think OMG was talking about Daniel. I think he meant the guy who owes Daniel the 500k.

as much as an ego maniac as phil is, don't see how you can call him lucky. 3 seconds at last years wsop in tough fields is surely all luck

yea and that 8 game at the lapc was all luck too, lota fish in that field.

u sir are retarted

no serisouly

you are

Well yeah the std deviation will be different. But how many hands of poker do you get to play live during a year? It's very easily to determine "variance" compared to online if you could give estimates on winrates and amount of hands that is plausible for a live-pro to play.

30 hands per hour? Sounds reasonable? 40 hour week (lol) = 1200 hands per week of fulltime grind.

The edge most definitely is larger, but difference in rake and amount of hands played factor in heavily.

1) no i have not played more hands of poker than Doyle.
2) how is it a watered down version? poker is poker.

I don't put much value in what takes more skill or blahblahblah. It's more about the limited amount of tournaments you get to play during a year.

Not sure how this is at all relevant to my post. I'm not saying you can't make a living from live poker.
I said that if a live-pro ( ) "can't win anymore" it's very possible he just ran well above expectations due to the limited amount of hands he played.


You seem to know a thing or two about the magical live-poker. What would be a decent winrate at high-stakes (or midstakes) and the std deviation? For simplicity let's use full ring nlhe. Should be easy enough to calculate the different outcomes with that in mind.
If you don't want to tard up this thread further you can pm me.

Where did you get this idea from?

For the most part live players receive a ton of hate from online players.

all this explains how he became 43rd in the last ME of the WSOP been his first cash ever in it .

" people play their best when they are broke "

do you have another example?

All these pros who trust "e-dog" will pay everyone back should just put their money where their mouth is and buy the debt up at 90 cents on the dollar. I am sure everyone would be more than happy to sell their debt.

Never gonna give it up,
Never gonna pay it down,
I'll give you the runaround,
Rather than pay you,
You can kiss your cash goodbye,
You don't have to wonder why,
Betting sports just gets me high,
But I can't pay you...

I don't normally do this but:

+1

So ridiculously epic. Hahahahahahaha

NH


Could SrslySirius turn this into a vid ?!

Originally Posted by josh arieh View Post
I want to put in a few things that are facts, unlike most things in this thread

-I am not the person that owes DN $500k. I don't owe a single person in the world, and I intend to keep it that way.

-I will probably get flamed for saying this, but Erick is one of the people in the "old school" poker world that I 100% trust. Is he wrong for some of his settling up routines? YES! He will tell u that himself.

Erick is a great friend and has been there for me in some dark times in my life. Erick will get past this stumbling block of his life and I believe that every one that has $ coming will get theirs. Will it be when he promised it? NO! And that's an avenue that he really needs to get right in his life!

There is no one I am rooting for more than him!

better yet, why don't you buy up all his debt at .90 on the dollar. you'll have a line of takers and you get to make 10% since you know eric is good for it. put up or shut up.

woops, beat me to it. but obviously none of these pros really trust him to pay unless he hits another score.