One thing about his moronic play in this hand. There's always been a saying that with Aces you can either win a small pot or lose a big pot. Edog with his ingenuity has found a way to lose a small pot with Aces everytime. Just check, call min bets and make sure you fold to a river bet. Edog...living proof that the talent in poker has improved dramatically. Remember when he was considered a world class player?

The REAL question is how much did the announcers and producers of poker TV programs know? Did the WSOP, WPT, Poker After Dark, etc., announcers and producers know they were helping to promote people who were degenerates and predators? Now that I have a couple friends in Vegas who tell me some stories I think I know the answer. They all had a part in suckering us.

Very well said. Something to think about

I hear Erick got a new job.

Doing????

No, the REAL question is, who didn't know?

Every single poker media and programming exec always knew that degenerate gambling flourishes in poker. This includes colluding, chip dumping, borrowing and not paying back, out-right cheating, and so on. It is, and always will be, part of the game. it's just gotten more attention because of the combination of an increased number of participants in poker, and the internet and social media. That's not to say that these peeps were complicit in helping the cheaters flourish. They just took a stance that they weren't gonna try and change the world, just function in it.

It's no different than it always was and that won't change. What will change, however, is the methods of cheating and corruption in the game that will continue to get more sophisticated and clever.

Where there's money and lot's of it, there will always be fakes, phony's, liars, cheaters and thieves, trying to get their hands on it.

FT Pro. Negreanu sorted him out.

Can the new FTP go after the money Erick stole? Isn't it a legal debt he has to the company or can he literally just walk away from it all with no legal ties to his disgusting actions?

It is so disappointing how DN wants to act like EL is just a guy with a good heart and a gambling problem. By all accounts, it sounds like he is a real scumbag with a talent in appearing to be a nice guy and DN should really be questioning befriending someone of that low level of moral standing. It is one thing to have a gambling problem and be caught up in a downward spiral, it is another thing to act flippant when people confront you and FAR worse to literally steal money (TWO MILLION DOLLARS) that was accidentally sent to you and quickly asked to be returned. That isn't a gambling problem, that is just a thief and if DN wants to go after the HL's of the world, first he needs to rid himself of defending such people.

too late to edit my post, but some 2+2'ers need to update his wiki page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erick_Lindgren

is erick cash broke or rich and just doesnt want to pay ppl back? $7 mil in tourny winnings, $12mil from ftp, etc.

he has no more money?

^he has money

just a little cash-broke. kickin it old school

i dont know why people keep throwing money at him , hes not even that good at poker !!

That could be the worst play with aces of all time.

Erick Lingren is a NON-SOCIAL BROKE NIT

I am surprised no one has had the pleasure of going through his Wiki page and editing it for all that has come to light.

You can do it. That's the cool thing about wikis.

Someone added the $2 million theft and Haralabos Voulgaris debt with a slight mention of 2p2.

Did it already get removed?

It got removed and added again several times in the last year. Right now it's not there.

See "talk" page for details..

Wow, well done Kendrick7. Unfortunately for us looks like this guy is also interested in editing political articles, and doesn't have much of any credibility on wiki (he's been banned from editing).. bad beat

Sup, bro? Thanks

Credibility is a tough thing to maintain over there because there are so many editors and admins that if you edit over a bunch of disparate topics it's quite easy to wander into someone's well guarded hornet's nest and they'll have absolutely no idea who you are. Perfect example with my current ban; and they had to shut me up because I was completely right on policy, and I should know because I helped write the policy.

When my ban expires at the end of the year, I'll try to remember to revisit Lingren's biography if the whitewashing campaign isn't over by then.

(Yes, this isn't my normal 2+2 account, but I keep my Wikipedia persona separate for privacy reasons.)

How the hell can they be so fast to edit changes on someone as obscure as EL? And why would they even remove stuff that is true? Or should we assume it is EL doing it?

My wife edited my Wiki after our wedding, giving the location as Disneyland and they removed it almost immediately bc no source was cited and I'm nowhere near as famous as Erik in poker or anything else.

So if the next person to edit it includes a link to the Lederer interview or something than it's okay?