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09-08-2018 , 09:13 AM
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START: $50
DAY 1: $88
DAY 2: $124
DAY 3: $152
DAY 4: $150
DAY 5: $220
DAY 6: $154
DAY 7: ?
DAY 8: $207
DAY 9: $182
DAY 10: $272

From here on Charlie plans to count in hands rather than days.
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09-08-2018 , 09:19 AM
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START: $50
DAY 1: $88
DAY 2: $124
DAY 3: $152
DAY 4: $150
DAY 5: $220
DAY 6: $154
DAY 7: ?
DAY 8: $207
DAY 9: $182
DAY 10: $272

From here on Charlie plans to count in hands rather than days.


BB/100 is the real measure of any challenge, imo. Sample size will always be debated of course, but 50k hands minimum and then the proof is in the pudding.

So what winrate does everyone expect to be crushing the micros?

My guess is north of 20BB/100 before any rakeback.
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09-08-2018 , 10:33 AM
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20BB or 20bb? 20BB cmonbruh
Anyone with 10-15bb got my respect with that kind of rake in these games.
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09-08-2018 , 10:57 AM
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20BB or 20bb? 20BB cmonbruh
Anyone with 10-15bb got my respect with that kind of rake in these games.


20 big blinds. IE: $2/100 hands at NL10.
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09-08-2018 , 11:09 AM
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20 big blinds. IE: $2/100 hands at NL10.
Understood. Have you tried it out? 20bb at 10nl is pretty tough I'd imagine even for charlie.
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09-08-2018 , 11:57 AM
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My guess is north of 20BB/100 before any rakeback.
Yeah that 2.5% rb is really helping him to reach the 10k. And don't believe that even him can beat those games with that rate. Probabaly something between 10-13bb/100. Rake is what 10bb/100 at NL10 for example?
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09-08-2018 , 01:13 PM
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Understood. Have you tried it out? 20bb at 10nl is pretty tough I'd imagine even for charlie.


I play on the softest site on the planet, and my volume is only about 40k hands so far. So to quote a number would invite the fair criticism of “lol sample size”. But 20bb would be a step down in WR.
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09-08-2018 , 01:16 PM
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Yeah that 2.5% rb is really helping him to reach the 10k. And don't believe that even him can beat those games with that rate. Probabaly something between 10-13bb/100. Rake is what 10bb/100 at NL10 for example?


The rake really depends on how you play. My guesstimation is that nits probably pay around 7.5 bb/100 rake and lags pay twice that.
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09-08-2018 , 03:16 PM
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09-08-2018 , 04:27 PM
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10-12bb/100 at the micro's is my guess.
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09-08-2018 , 04:39 PM
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8bb/100+ while streaming all hands should 100% be considered crushing past NL5
5bb/100+ a good result in Zoom
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how is he going to prove his micro strats are better than doug's? this is attention-whoring pretend-to-be marketing + faking drama with the guy that has drama with EVERYONE .... nothing like a real challenge tbh.
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how is he going to prove his micro strats are better than doug's? this is attention-whoring pretend-to-be marketing + faking drama with the guy that has drama with EVERYONE .... nothing like a real challenge tbh.
If he does it way faster than Polk it's better system No?
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09-09-2018 , 04:49 AM
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no. all it proves is that he ran hotter than Doug. and i'm not even saying Doug's way is better. everyone knows that both of these guys can do this. the only question is how long it takes them which is down to luck over such a short sample.

CC's just leeching Doug's name here. No shock that he's going to a hand count for money instead of days as it took Doug ~50 sessions and CC obviously not feeling like he gonna get there that quick. Pretty pathetic on both counts.
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09-09-2018 , 11:24 AM
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doing the challenge after doug, without doug knowing about it originally, is beyond WEAK from a competitor to try and pull off. compile the silliness of starting a training site on the back of this and it's beyond absurd.
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09-09-2018 , 11:44 AM
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this ^
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09-09-2018 , 12:28 PM
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doing the challenge after doug, without doug knowing about it originally, is beyond WEAK from a competitor to try and pull off. compile the silliness of starting a training site on the back of this and it's beyond absurd.
You are like the p0kercasual for Epiphany77. Did he steal your lunchmoney at school or what?
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09-09-2018 , 05:32 PM
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how is he going to prove his micro strats are better than doug's? this is attention-whoring pretend-to-be marketing + faking drama with the guy that has drama with EVERYONE .... nothing like a real challenge tbh.
That's why I prefer Doug, these are things he NEVER does.
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09-09-2018 , 09:03 PM
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If he does it way faster than Polk it's better system No?
no , doug could have been stuck months playing micros or longer if he ran bad enough. people cannot seem to wrap their heads around the luck factor in poker its large and its real. but also dougs beast( that puts in long sessions even on stream) and he runs good. charlie will crush obv. but who knows whos strat is better without massive sample.
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09-09-2018 , 09:46 PM
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You are like the p0kercasual for Epiphany77. Did he steal your lunchmoney at school or what?
it’s a combo of more training sites are not better, and that he’s launching a platform from a sucker punch on a historically good poster.
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09-10-2018 , 03:42 AM
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It's a good thing this isn't live poker. From watching him on TV, I'd run him over.
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09-10-2018 , 05:00 AM
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The silly thing about the challenge is that it's obvious exploitative play is superior at the micros. Doug's challenge seems like the point was to prove wrong the people who claimed a GTO approach doesn't work against bad players, not that it was optimal against bad players.

At some point you have less opportunities to exploit others and should focus on being unexploitable instead, but that point is not 10NL
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09-10-2018 , 05:32 AM
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Doug is literally making an entire module to teach exploits/adjustments he made at the micros. It’s a bit of a joke really.
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09-10-2018 , 06:27 AM
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Doug is literally making an entire module to teach exploits/adjustments he made at the micros. It’s a bit of a joke really.
This sounds amazing. I'm torn on training sites to get started playing again. I like that Upswing has a curriculum type setup but given the steep price for the first month I'm hesitant to pull the trigger. If something like this came out and had good reviews I might check it out.

Did you hear any estimations on when it might come out?
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09-10-2018 , 07:25 AM
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This sounds amazing. I'm torn on training sites to get started playing again. I like that Upswing has a curriculum type setup but given the steep price for the first month I'm hesitant to pull the trigger. If something like this came out and had good reviews I might check it out.

Did you hear any estimations on when it might come out?
Don't think they've said but I would imagine it's October's module.

Doug's top gto strategies for beating the micros, including gto gems such as gto overbluffing and gto undercalling:

https://twitter.com/DougPolkPoker/st...77301165555712
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