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08-27-2018 , 06:24 PM

#51

Loctus

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Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 11,158

Wow, listening to this guy talk about anything other than poker is unbearable. Had to shut off the stream

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08-27-2018 , 06:49 PM

#52

Sir Huntington

banned

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2,354

LOL

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08-27-2018 , 07:16 PM

#53

redlineftw

centurion

Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 189

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Originally Posted by SrslySirius

Charlie apparently has an axe to grind because Doug said he didn't know who he was when a Twitch chatter asked about him. He has since complained about this on a bunch of podcasts and interviews and seems very hurt by it.

cHARLIE HAS SANG dOUGS PRAISES MULTIPLE TIMES ON HIS STREAM FWIW

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08-27-2018 , 07:28 PM

#54

golfbum983

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,943

Before this week, the screen name seemed familiar, but real name I had no idea who he was either

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08-28-2018 , 03:14 AM

#55

getmeoffcompletely

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,670

Too bad the one thing that he has (had?) working in his favor can't be taught.

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08-28-2018 , 04:05 AM

#56

Barry Urinstein

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Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 2,445

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Originally Posted by Loctus

Wow, listening to this guy talk about anything other than poker is unbearable. Had to shut off the stream

Literally made it like 30 seconds in...

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08-30-2018 , 02:24 PM

#57

Griesball

enthusiast

Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 84

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Originally Posted by getmeoffcompletely

Too bad the one thing that he has (had?) working in his favor can't be taught.

You mean his hair?

Actually, I find his stream enjoyable and his non-poker talk is way more interesting than Polk's imo.

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08-31-2018 , 12:00 AM

#58

YGOchamp

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,555

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Originally Posted by SrslySirius

Haha fair enough. Sucks that I can't have opinions anymore, but maybe it'll good to go be more productive with my time.

Naw it's not that man, I think what people are annoyed with is that when the news is related to Doug, you've been 100% in his corner defending him on every single issue.

There's nothing wrong with defending your close friends, but it's hard to take what you say at face value when there's a clear bias.

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08-31-2018 , 07:13 AM

#59

krcmdc

grinder

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 541

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Originally Posted by TooCuriousso1

I don't think Doug would play a hand a certain way for the sole sake of balance/GTO.

He would do so because it's part of his default strategy + adjustments based on estimations of population frequencies (which get better over time). It doesn't matter how good someone is fundamentally they can't know very accurately how population pools (i.e 2NL) are going to play if they have no volume there.

Is a top player like Doug with little population freq knowledge of a pool better than a mediocre player with good player pool knowledge? Idk. But eventually it won't take long for Doug to get population freq reads, adjust the strategy, and outperform the other regs there.

The 2 main branches of playing well are:
1.) how good your default strategy is
2.) how well you can adjust your strategy to exploit another's

Top players are very good at both of these. They can look at huds/population stats and determine how to drive a truck through the holes.

I mean even if I have a hand that fits perfectly into my bluff range, if I think someone is calling too much, I won't bluff.

A few things affect this though;

-how smart and perceptive is the player--how does that affect future hands? Sometimes I'll pass margin spots with bottom/top of ranges for the sake of keeping players unaware of where I'm adjusting and thinking they're off.
-how confident am I that the player is off the frequency mark and by how much--is it worth deviating from default? Yes, if someone isn't bluffing enough, you can fold all bluffcatchers, but I prefer a more step-wise approach.

It's not that GTO has to go. Everyone should be working on developing their best balance default strategies, just learn how to adjust them for different population freqs and player types.

Am I missing something? This seems pretty obvious.

This was post #13, and yet somehow the discussion continues...

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08-31-2018 , 01:15 PM

#60

TreadLightly

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 3,709

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Originally Posted by Tuma

i think he'll regret making negative comments about his peers. it seems like a bad pr move to slam doug and copy his his challenge when he could do it exactly the same without the negativity and drama.

^^ while constantly preaching how positive he is and how it's wrong to fire shots at people and it creates a toxic environment in poker / referencing doug saying he doesn't know who he is years ago over and over and how he hates how doug creates drama

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09-01-2018 , 06:25 AM

#61

fish94

newbie

Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 38

tldw Charlie still doesn't understand that most of the thought process and the decisions he makes at micros are already implicit in a fundamentally strong strategy.

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09-01-2018 , 07:01 AM

#62

SirDehi

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 183

Please stop referring to Doug Polk as DP because my dirty mind can't handle this.

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09-01-2018 , 09:22 AM

#63

getmeoffcompletely

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,670

That vid is full of the absolute trash you'd expect to hear from a button clicking luckbox who confuses his immense good fortune for some special talent.

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09-01-2018 , 10:54 AM

#64

Jay Why

adept

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,053

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Originally Posted by getmeoffcompletely

That vid is full of the absolute trash you'd expect to hear from a button clicking luckbox who confuses his immense good fortune for some special talent.

Yeah man, it is disgusting how year after year he shows his lack of poker talent by winning entirely due to good luck. And he will keep on winning, and smarties like you will know it is not his skill, but his good luck.

Thanks for your invaluable analysis of Charlie Carrol, I don't know what we would do without it.

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09-01-2018 , 12:59 PM

#65

SrslySirius

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Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 4,357

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Originally Posted by YGOchamp

100% is ridiculous as I refrain from commenting on certain things and often disagree with Doug on various issues. Many of the opinions that we do align on are one's I've held before ever meeting him (including my views on Charlie)

Regardless, half of the commonly discussed topics on NVG, Reddit, Twitter, etc. are off-limits to me now as I have to deal with these sort of accusations. I get it, and I'm not angry about it. It's just disappointing.

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09-01-2018 , 01:36 PM

#66

Tuma

Worships Amon-Ra

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 16,390

he trashes using game theory concepts like they are poison, it's quite ridiculous imo. it would be more accurate if he sold his system as a unique way to make money from easy games with a disclaimer that it won't help foster growth for playing in tougher lineups. i don't even see what it has to do with upswing poker, which doesn't have a monopoly on math last i checked.

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09-01-2018 , 08:52 PM

#67

numberonedonk

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his girl sounds like a real catch

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09-01-2018 , 11:35 PM

#68

robert_utk

Not From the UK

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,822

So, what is the bankroll at? How is the BRM?

Thread needs some numbers, imo.

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09-02-2018 , 02:09 AM

#69

fightingcoward

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Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,186

this guy won a few tournaments and thinks hes good at poker?

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09-02-2018 , 03:59 AM

#70

El Kabong

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 10,049

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Originally Posted by SrslySirius

Not sure why everyone is suddenly mad at me for still posting here though.

I love your vids, I'm glad you're still around but I'm mad at you for taking down some of your classic raps and the dramatic reading vid. C'mon man ****, they were NVG classics.

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09-02-2018 , 04:02 AM

#71

Sir Huntington

banned

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 2,354

SrslySirius taking NVG posts Siriusly is rather funny. Might as well listen to every youtube comment as well. The Haterade addicts run this place, don't worry about what peasants have to say imo.

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09-02-2018 , 05:16 AM

#72

ChicagoJoey

Papi

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 15,464

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Originally Posted by TooCuriousso1

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Originally Posted by mrno1324

(fanboy cringe warning)

The price that Doug had to pay the day he became a youtube personality was that people would forget how good he actually is at poker.
I remember how excited I was when I was watching his first stream, that I could ask the world #1 HUNL player a question and he would likely respond (he did btw).
As he's been establishing himself as a memer and a troll it's been impossible to at the same time retain that respect and notoriety.
Which is why he annoyingly gets the 2p2 crowd on one side and the Carrels on the other side questioning his skill.
There's a reason why Tom Cruise never interacts with fans on twitter and Elon Musk's persona is going down the drain because he does. Familiarity breeds contempt.
I'm glad that Nick Frame chimed in, because clearly as someone who was there and actually battled the guy, he hasn't forgotten how good Doug is at poker.

Both of these are great posts. Thank you.