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Epiphany77 starts a  to k BR challenge to show his methods are better than Doug Polk's Epiphany77 starts a  to k BR challenge to show his methods are better than Doug Polk's

08-26-2018 , 05:16 PM
Should such blatant attempt to ride on Doug's popularity be even allowed in NVG instead of paid coaching thread? I know he didn't post it
but still pretty shameless timing
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08-26-2018 , 05:22 PM
idk what the issue would be. of course dougs blanket strat of upswing will come with more variance applied to any random game type and of course charlie carrol can come up with a more specific strat for the micros. ( i hope he starts with bovada zone so i can stop losing my mind) charlie is probably just a smart guy and sees that he can make the upswing poker money without giving anything real away and sell an infinite loop of training where he gives you exploitative strat and reads on weak player pools.( ya know like run it once or any other post upswing training site)
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08-26-2018 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mrno1324
(fanboy cringe warning)

The price that Doug had to pay the day he became a youtube personality was that people would forget how good he actually is at poker.
I remember how excited I was when I was watching his first stream, that I could ask the world #1 HUNL player a question and he would likely respond (he did btw).
As he's been establishing himself as a memer and a troll it's been impossible to at the same time retain that respect and notoriety.
Which is why he annoyingly gets the 2p2 crowd on one side and the Carrels on the other side questioning his skill.
There's a reason why Tom Cruise never interacts with fans on twitter and Elon Musk's persona is going down the drain because he does. Familiarity breeds contempt.
I'm glad that Nick Frame chimed in, because clearly as someone who was there and actually battled the guy, he hasn't forgotten how good Doug is at poker.
good post
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08-26-2018 , 05:37 PM
I get the feeling that Charlie’s site will be stuff you can find for free in 2011 2p2 posts. “Just bet big vs whales, don’t bluff fish, double barrel scare cards vs tight regs”.
What else could he possibly have to offer?
If you want to spend money get verneer’s Building A Bankroll or something.
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08-26-2018 , 06:10 PM
Considering both players success in NL you'd have to be quite foolish to not consume a large sample of each ones content. Assuming you are looking to improve at NL, that is.
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08-26-2018 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
did u even watch the BRC, it wasn't even remotely close to pure gambling at any point in time, pure gambling would be if he sat on blackjack tables with whole roll
yes i did. He won 70% of the challenge on his last day. Taking shots at nl500 with 10 buyins might work if you are Doug Polk, but it still requires a lot of luck. To me it is not quite in the spirit of the challenge, but i also don't think Doug had anything to prove. Thinking that he can't beat microstakes is ridiculous.

The only thing stopping any high stakes player from crushing micros is time and a lack of ability to take the stakes serious. Even Dnegs could do it!
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08-26-2018 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SrslySirius
lol how is what I said defensive? Charlie being overly sensitive and Doug being a bad guy are not mutually exclusive ideas.

Admittedly, maybe it is a bit pathetic that I've been reading NVG most days for the last 8 years and have racked up thousands of posts. Point conceded. Not sure why everyone is suddenly mad at me for still posting here though.
Make Meme Poker Videos Great Again
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08-26-2018 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by slumlord
yes i did. He won 70% of the challenge on his last day. Taking shots at nl500 with 10 buyins might work if you are Doug Polk, but it still requires a lot of luck. To me it is not quite in the spirit of the challenge, but i also don't think Doug had anything to prove. Thinking that he can't beat microstakes is ridiculous.

The only thing stopping any high stakes player from crushing micros is time and a lack of ability to take the stakes serious. Even Dnegs could do it!
taking shots with 10 buy ins can work for any winning player, if you move down once you lose like 3 or 4 buy ins you have never put your bankroll in any sort of jeopardy, it's completely fine
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08-27-2018 , 01:17 AM
does Charlie have a coaching site to promote? otherwise it seems like a huge waste of time for a millionaire poker player
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08-27-2018 , 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by BeHumble!
Man you truly are completely pathetic. You come defending doug EVERYWHERE do you search for his name everyday? You are in love with him or something wtf is going on.
he provided info that we may not otherwise have known. there wasn't anything defensive about it but you seem mad though?
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08-27-2018 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by JackBurton
What's the thing with these high stakes players taking 10K from the player pool to promote themselves (I'm including Doug in here). The rake is already too high, we don't need sharks coming there to take 10K away from other winning(and losing) players that usually play those stakes.

And then they sell coaching videos to the players they "took" the money from, nice touch bros. We have Doug, Elias, Charlie and I'm sure many others have done it in the past and will do it in the future.
god dam smurfs *shakes fist*
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08-27-2018 , 03:12 AM
literally no idea who this individual is
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08-27-2018 , 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by SrslySirius
Admittedly, maybe it is a bit pathetic that I've been reading NVG most days for the last 8 years and have racked up thousands of posts. Point conceded. Not sure why everyone is suddenly mad at me for still posting here though.
Just new generation of compulsive posters is coming, they are fresh and much tougher, because they had first online account at the age of three.

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08-27-2018 , 05:23 AM
Charlie is right that Doug didn't complete this challenge in a manner that should be taught to others. He used reckless bankroll management, took way too many shots at higher levels, etc etc.

But for some sun running mtt'er to try to tell Doug Polk that he could play the hands better than Doug plays the hands is beyond absurd imo.
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08-27-2018 , 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by krcmdc
Charlie is right that Doug didn't complete this challenge in a manner that should be taught to others. He used reckless bankroll management, took way too many shots at higher levels, etc etc.

But for some sun running mtt'er to try to tell Doug Polk that he could play the hands better than Doug plays the hands is beyond absurd imo.
Afaik Charlie Carrel ground his way up to $25/$50+ online having started by playing free rolls and tiny stakes.

If you watch these 3 videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWk--a9q5B4 from 2014 you'll see he was a very good player even back then, so I'd assume is even better now.

The videos also demonstrate he mainly bases his play at mid/high stakes on GTO strategy.

So both he and Doug are quite similar, except that Charlie uses slightly more exploitative play in on line cash and much more in live high stakes MTTs because he specialises in live tells and live player profiling.
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08-27-2018 , 06:36 AM
epiphany = poor man's fedor holz. he basically tried to rise up from his shadow but never amounted to anything other than being famous for the "whats your mothers maiden name" bull**** clip. pass.
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08-27-2018 , 06:52 AM
His on line MTT stats aren't bad! http://www.officialpokerrankings.com....html?t=9&scp=

Defining it as a "sun run" over a 5000 tournament sample across a ~4 year period is wrong.

I am not a fanboy of his but the stats don't lie. He is one of the very top players for sure, although he has been open about deploying some poor BRM in the past and going broke or nearly going broke during the period when he was playing big buy in live MTTs.

He approaches poker from a different angle to many, so well worth watching and listening to what he says, IMO.
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08-27-2018 , 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
did u even watch the BRC, it wasn't even remotely close to pure gambling at any point in time, pure gambling would be if he sat on blackjack tables with whole roll
you know what he meant, probably meant in comparison to fergusons challenge
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08-27-2018 , 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by SageDonkey
His on line MTT stats aren't bad! http://www.officialpokerrankings.com....html?t=9&scp=

Defining it as a "sun run" over a 5000 tournament sample across a ~4 year period is wrong.

I am not a fanboy of his but the stats don't lie. He is one of the very top players for sure, although he has been open about deploying some poor BRM in the past and going broke or nearly going broke during the period when he was playing big buy in live MTTs.

He approaches poker from a different angle to many, so well worth watching and listening to what he says, IMO.
Pretty much this. End of (a pointless) thread
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08-27-2018 , 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by preki
you know what he meant, probably meant in comparison to fergusons challenge
this is how a bankroll should be built, not by slumming it around in the micros forever to make sure you have a good enough sample to beat the games
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08-27-2018 , 08:24 AM
Will he finally be able to afford a haircut when he gets to 10k?
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08-27-2018 , 09:10 AM
link?
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08-27-2018 , 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
this is how a bankroll should be built, not by slumming it around in the micros forever to make sure you have a good enough sample to beat the games
^^^^^

People act like Doug was risking his roll. He moved up to $200 when he got to $3200 and moved down to $100 when he got to 20 buy-ins for $100nl. There's nothing irresponsible about that kind of brm at all. Take shots and move up.
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08-27-2018 , 10:18 AM
i think he'll regret making negative comments about his peers. it seems like a bad pr move to slam doug and copy his his challenge when he could do it exactly the same without the negativity and drama.
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08-27-2018 , 12:31 PM
He is doing a video for educational purposes? Not really a BR challenge then but whatever.

I have put a lot of time in watching videos but I hit the limit of the book knowledge. So, it was worth it, but I paid of lot of time for rather little. Now I study HHs and teach myself.

I read the Hwang books and beat the micros, and the same for the Applications book, and I don't think I would bother with anything less, as the latter gives a clear strategy. Had to read a couple more books for tourneys and watching a video of it would be a waste of time, IMO. I did have one book for loose full ring NLH games that was helpful when I tried it at Party a couple of years ago, but no such need for PLO nor for the usual NLH micros online.

For NLH, Nanonoko's old school videos are still okay, but the PLO stuffs are still rather primitive or just developing.
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