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How can you claim with a straight face that someone is a good player if 1 donkament makes up 70% of the profit? He might still be, this graph doesn't show anything than sunrunning though.

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09-18-2018 , 08:25 AM

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Loctus

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Originally Posted by Kelvis

How can you claim with a straight face that someone is a good player if 1 donkament makes up 70% of the profit? He might still be, this graph doesn't show anything than sunrunning though.

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=343368

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09-18-2018 , 08:34 AM

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Maximus122

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Originally Posted by fish94

Have to give some credit to Charlie after seeing this graph.

Where did you get this graph. I thought that he didnt even have Hold Em Manager

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09-18-2018 , 08:38 AM

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Kelvis

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Oh look, an even smaller sample that doesn't even detract buy ins.

Why do people not realize almost nobody plays enough tournaments in their lifetime to make that "proof" they are as good as people say they are. You can argue someone is a good player but don't do it with these kind of things.

The difference between a pretty good player and one of the best players is huge in skill but almost impossible to determine by results.

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09-18-2018 , 09:05 AM

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ratslla

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^ so who can make a judgement in your eyes? Genuine question

Afaik he's a winner in any form of poker he's ever played, does he have the ultimate boomswitch accounts / life?

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09-18-2018 , 09:47 AM

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Xenoblade

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I think he's a smart player, probably not the best but still a good reg who can come up with good exploits on the fly.

It's pretty clear to anyone that Charlie has ran pretty ****in good in his career but it doesn't take anything away from the fact that he's a pretty solid player

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09-18-2018 , 01:11 PM

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Loctus

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Anyone know if he's playing the 25k that started now?

edit: he is

Last edited by Loctus; 09-18-2018 at 01:27 PM. Reason: .

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09-18-2018 , 02:57 PM

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Alobar

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why do people get so worked up about running hot, it doesn't take away from someones skill.

The simple fact is that every single player who crushes also runs really well, and probably 99% of professional players ran hot when they started, otherwise they never would have ended up in poker. So who gives a ****.

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09-18-2018 , 03:06 PM

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Stroggoz

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Originally Posted by Kelvis

That graph says its cash games, so what is this 'detraction of buy ins', lol? If so, 140k hands is very reasonable. 120K hands was what the scientists thought was statistically significant vs liberatus, remember.

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09-18-2018 , 03:39 PM

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.isolated

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Originally Posted by Alobar

why do people get so worked up about running hot, it doesn't take away from someones skill.

tbf, it's only Kelvis and SMRR. One is a bad troll and the other thinks micros aren't beatable anymore so anyone winning is running hot.

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09-18-2018 , 03:43 PM

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Kelvis

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Originally Posted by Stroggoz

So that link to his live tournament results is cash game? Ok bro.

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Originally Posted by .isolated

tbf, it's only Kelvis and SMRR. One is a bad troll and the other thinks micros aren't beatable anymore so anyone winning is running hot.

What is your problem?

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09-18-2018 , 03:49 PM

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mrno1324

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Blew my mind Doug passed on the opportunity to fire some shots in the BR conclusion video.
Ironic how after all that crap about positivity from Charlie, Doug turned out to be the bigger, more positive person, while Charlie was the negative bitter trash talker.

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09-18-2018 , 05:00 PM

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IgnatiusJR

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Enjoy watching him play. Listening to him talk about anything besides poker is painful. Seems to mimic much of Doug’s streaming style/personality.

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09-18-2018 , 05:43 PM

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YouAreAwesome

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I clicked through Charlie's twitch and he says (and I'm not jking here, others can verify) "I enjoy taking it up the bum. I'm not even trying to be funny, he said this on stream. Then he started talking weird stuff about hikm and his gf. I feel dirty listenijng to him. Not watching anymore of his stuff.

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09-18-2018 , 05:56 PM

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Griesball

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^Reverse bumhunting is a classic element of exploitative strategy.

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09-18-2018 , 06:00 PM

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ProRailbird

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Originally Posted by Kelvis

How can you claim with a straight face that someone is a good player if 1 donkament makes up 70% of the profit? He might still be, this graph doesn't show anything than sunrunning though.

the thing with donkaments is most of the money is up top so if you win 1 or 2 huge donkaments chances are that is always going to make up most of your profit

nobody plays donkaments to be the guy who mincashes 100 in a row and makes a tiny ROI. they play for the wins that end up being a huge part of your roll.

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09-18-2018 , 06:26 PM

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robert_utk

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Originally Posted by Griesball

^Reverse bumhunting is a classic element of exploitative strategy.

Epiphany77 starts a to k BR challenge to show his methods are better than Doug Polk's

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09-18-2018 , 10:44 PM

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krcmdc

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Originally Posted by Griesball

^Reverse bumhunting is a classic element of exploitative strategy.

lol

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09-19-2018 , 12:43 AM

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ProbablyDrawinDead

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Originally Posted by YouAreAwesome

Lol whaaaaaaaaat....

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09-19-2018 , 08:12 AM

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Kelvis

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Originally Posted by ProRailbird

the thing with donkaments is most of the money is up top so if you win 1 or 2 huge donkaments chances are that is always going to make up most of your profit

So then what importance does a graph of ~8000 donkaments have when you can take out 1 sample and the player has his ROI reduced by 70%?

I am not arguing Charlie isn't a good player or anything like that but it makes absolutely no sense to show a sample size in which any particular player could have been breakeven due to luck. Just don't bring it up as "evidence" on it's own.

I'm looking at the people that post one graph and then tell others they are making an idiot out of themselves.

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09-19-2018 , 08:25 AM

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Loctus

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Here, I doctored his graph so the big score is gone and now you can all clearly tell that he's probably a losing player actually

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09-19-2018 , 09:31 AM

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Kelvis

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Are you trying to be a douche on purpose?

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09-19-2018 , 02:08 PM

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Sir Huntington

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LOL I'd take those results.

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09-19-2018 , 03:27 PM

#250

biz-nitch

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Originally Posted by Xenoblade

I've played with him a few times at 5/10 and 10/20 live and I promise he is a good player. I grind 200nl online so while I'm no super wizard I can at least tell when someone is crushing, and he is crushing I'm sure.

People on 2p2 seem to think that if you arent crushing 2knl on stars you're a bad player.

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