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Epiphany77 starts a  to k BR challenge to show his methods are better than Doug Polk's Epiphany77 starts a  to k BR challenge to show his methods are better than Doug Polk's

09-13-2018 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Alobar
lol, Doug would destroy him. I imagine it would take a massive bet before Doug would endure such agony tho, lol
Indeed he would!! Totally agree. That guy has nothing on Doug who is a master at winning online and live $! Plus having a training site, the rest are wannabees. It would be soo fun to watch if Doug he had the time ad desire to devote to the challenge.
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09-13-2018 , 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by xoxoxo
Indeed he would!! Totally agree. That guy has nothing on Doug who is a master at winning online and live $! Plus having a training site, the rest are wannabees. It would be soo fun to watch if Doug he had the time ad desire to devote to the challenge.
Doesn’t this so called guy have like 7 million in live cashes ?
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09-13-2018 , 09:57 PM
Just watching first time today. Hes slightly insane but for sure he is sick good poker player. Any break-even ABC nits out there should study this guy to learn how to crush.
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09-14-2018 , 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by a_r_K
Just watching first time today. Hes slightly insane but for sure he is sick good poker player. Any break-even ABC nits out there should study this guy to learn how to crush.
He said in an interview that some docs diagnosed him an autistic asperger syndrome when he was younger. Seems like he emancipated himself from the pain caused by this illness pretty well to say the least. (not speaking abt the material side of things only here)
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09-14-2018 , 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by krcmdc
...he was well under $6/hr before that last day of run good?
Doug wasn't averaging anything close to 10 hours/day for every session. Maybe 8 of those sessions were 10. The majority were between 4 and 6.
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09-14-2018 , 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
Doug wasn't averaging anything close to 10 hours/day for every session. Maybe 8 of those sessions were 10. The majority were between 4 and 6.
I intentionally underestimated cause I don't know the exact hours. Prob closer to $25/hr which is pretty friggin amazing actually.
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09-14-2018 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
Doug wasn't averaging anything close to 10 hours/day for every session. Maybe 8 of those sessions were 10. The majority were between 4 and 6.
I didn't say that he did average 10 hours per session, someone else gave those numbers. I only tried to point out that the challenge lasted for more than 2 years, and about 70% of his "bankroll" occurred in the last 12 hours.

I'm not saying anything bad about Doug, I certainly don't think that Charlie is anywhere near Doug's level when it comes to cash games.

But whatever Doug's final hourly was, it was incredibly low for more than 2 years. And I know that he only played x number of sessions over the more than 2 year period, but imo, the most important and difficult part of such a challenge, especially for someone at Doug's skill level, is simply sitting down everyday, fighting the boredom and frustration that comes from earning such a low hourly, and then grinding through it successfully.

Doug didn't do this at all, he played sparsely for more than 2 years, and when he did play, he was just taking shots until he finally hit a home run. That's not what the challenge was suppose to be in the beginning. And that's not what Charlie intends to do. But it wasn't what Doug intended to do either, and maybe Charlie will change the spirit of his challenge also. But I hope not.
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09-14-2018 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by krcmdc
I didn't say that he did average 10 hours per session, someone else gave those numbers. I only tried to point out that the challenge lasted for more than 2 years, and about 70% of his "bankroll" occurred in the last 12 hours.
"lasted more than 2 years"...definitely on the grind for all of those two years.

I also realize someone else said it but you were basing your $$$/hr number on a number that was completely off.

lol didn't read rest after that **** start.
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09-14-2018 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by krcmdc
the most important and difficult part of such a challenge, especially for someone at Doug's skill level, is simply sitting down everyday, fighting the boredom and frustration that comes from earning such a low hourly, and then grinding through it successfully.
lol at thinking Doug doesn't have the grinder gene. One of the reasons he would destroy Charlie in a "who could do it quicker" is because Doug could just out grind him even if they were even in skill.

It went on that long because he didn't care. Once he finally did, then he took care of business.
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09-14-2018 , 03:42 PM
I've been around poker for quite some time (see join date, lel) and I've watched quite a lot of tournament poker by good players on twitch. Yet Carrel's play blows my mind. Like really, it does. His WCOOP streams have been insane.

Just now in a 2k he opens KJo utg, bb defends and c/r's Carrels cb on a 99Tcch flop, Carrel calls, turn is 7h, bb checks, Carrel jams 1.8x pot being like "well he almost always has 78 here, so we hope he folds that and otherwise we have a lot of outs"

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09-14-2018 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Loctus
I've been around poker for quite some time (see join date, lel) and I've watched quite a lot of tournament poker by good players on twitch. Yet Carrel's play blows my mind. Like really, it does. His WCOOP streams have been insane.

Just now in a 2k he opens KJo utg, bb defends and c/r's Carrels cb on a 99Tcch flop, Carrel calls, turn is 7h, bb checks, Carrel jams 1.8x pot being like "well he almost always has 78 here, so we hope he folds that and otherwise we have a lot of outs"

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Why is that impressive?
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09-14-2018 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Loctus
I've been around poker for quite some time (see join date, lel) and I've watched quite a lot of tournament poker by good players on twitch. Yet Carrel's play blows my mind. Like really, it does. His WCOOP streams have been insane.

Just now in a 2k he opens KJo utg, bb defends and c/r's Carrels cb on a 99Tcch flop, Carrel calls, turn is 7h, bb checks, Carrel jams 1.8x pot being like "well he almost always has 78 here, so we hope he folds that and otherwise we have a lot of outs"

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At the higher stakes you'll find all sorts of sick lines and levels.

One that recently blew me away:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/304191069

38 minutes
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09-14-2018 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by golfbum983
Doesn’t this so called guy have like 7 million in live cashes ?
Doug has over 9 million live if you google it. Plus his online substantial wins, u tube site and training site. He has a charismatic personality to go along with it! Huge fan for that too
He can outdo any of those guys if he wanted to. He may just be chilling, enjoying his life.
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09-14-2018 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Alobar
lol at thinking Doug doesn't have the grinder gene. One of the reasons he would destroy Charlie in a "who could do it quicker" is because Doug could just out grind him even if they were even in skill.

It went on that long because he didn't care. Once he finally did, then he took care of business.
Wtf? I didn't say that Doug "doesn't have the grinder gene", I only said that Doug didn't grind for more than 2 years during this challenge. You even agree with me, essentially saying that he didn't grind because he didn't care, ..ok, fine, but that's the challenge imo, that's the hardest part of the challenge imo, is to do it, everyday, despite not caring. For Doug or Charlie, there is no other challenging aspect to this challenge imo.

I also believe that Doug has an edge in any cash game contest against Charlie. And I agree that Doug is a beast when it comes to grinding long sessions at cash game tables. Legendary even. But Charlie is an mtt'er, a highly successful mtt'er. He routinely played 16+ hour days, where the last few hours required the most attention. Doug might have an edge in grinding as well, I'm not saying that he doesn't, but imo this aspect is nowhere near as one sided as you seem to imply. Both of these guys are legendary grinders. Imo, Doug's biggest edge, by far, in a cash game contest with Charlie is simply that Doug plays cash games significantly better than Charlie plays cash games.
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09-14-2018 , 05:54 PM
Charlie is that guy that you meet at a house party when you're 18 who's watched a couple of Christopher Hitchens videos and read a pamphlet on Buddhism and can't wait to tell you ALL about it
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09-14-2018 , 05:57 PM
One can't really compare the two, as they are very different types of players and completely different types of people/personalities.

Doug Polk is a self confessed super hard worker who admits he wasn't blessed with uber innate poker talent but can work out and solve any problem when he puts his mind to it. His playing style is mainly technical (GTO).

Charlie Carrel is also a hard worker but has more of a "Rain Man" thing going on, as part of his personality, which is why he is bound to play more of a combination of technical (GTO) and exploitative.
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09-14-2018 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ilikemilkshake
Charlie is that guy that you meet at a house party when you're 18 who's watched a couple of Christopher Hitchens videos and read a pamphlet on Buddhism and can't wait to tell you ALL about it
Hahaha truth
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09-15-2018 , 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ilikemilkshake
Charlie is that guy that you meet at a house party when you're 18 who's watched a couple of Christopher Hitchens videos and read a pamphlet on Buddhism and can't wait to tell you ALL about it
+1. He thinks he knows everything about everything but he's actually very naive when it comes to real life matters. I don't know how old he is but i suppose that's a fairly standard attitude at a young age.

That said, he is a pretty smart guy and is way ahead of the curve in terms of poker intelligence. A lot of people in this thread are mindlessly talking about GTO but have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. His thoughts on the subject are fairly spot on. It's obviously the endgame, but learning how to think independently first is the only path to becoming a wizard. These kids who have been playing for a year or two and start trying to talk in GTO terms are hilarious and almost always utterly terrible.
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09-15-2018 , 02:40 AM
Charlie is a great guy, think some of the criticism is a bit unjust in this thread, he's never really laid into Doug anymore than Doug did initialy.. He has his opinions but is never really imposing them.
Really enjoying Charlie's challenge at the moment and have taken so much from it.
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09-15-2018 , 10:39 AM
Anyone who can watch more than 5 minutes of Charlie's stream at a time is a better man than me.
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09-15-2018 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by letsg0
Charlie is a great guy, think some of the criticism is a bit unjust in this thread, he's never really laid into Doug anymore than Doug did initialy.. He has his opinions but is never really imposing them.

hahaha he's just as negative and judgmental as the people he whines about doing the same thing

https://clips.twitch.tv/SpoopySuccessfulBoarTakeNRG
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09-16-2018 , 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by DianeAbbott
Anyone who can watch more than 5 minutes of Charlie's stream at a time is a better man than me.
+1
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09-16-2018 , 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ProRailbird
i think im going to wait for iceman's module on gto flat barreling.
doug's been working more lately with GTO master vanessa rousso on a module for aggressive checks

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Originally Posted by .isolated
Probably some Chinese app. Otherwise his statement isn't correct
chinese apps aren't really that soft when you're sitting with cheaters at every table
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09-16-2018 , 09:05 AM
This may have been said before, but does he stream for that long or he's just saying he's playing for 8-10 hours. I've only watched his youtube videos for this challenge.

Either way its inspirational, and he's very positive minded which clearly equates to flopping sets.
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09-16-2018 , 09:22 AM
What is up with all the right clicking he does?
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