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07-28-2017 , 02:50 PM
Not the kind that already exist, but I want this kind...

Only the cards are electronic, not the chips. There is a computer screen embedded infront of each player, half of which is shrouded(the half closest to the player, so there are shrouds sticking up from the table at every seat so that only the player can see his half of his computer screen.

There are also raise/bet/call/fold buttons beside each players screen which the player presses after/as his action.

There is a large screen in the center of the table where communal cards are displayed as well as showdown results, etc.

The dealer also has a keyboard and maybe a mouse to control action. If a player places chips but doesn't press his bet/raise button, the dealer can do it for him from the dealers console so the computer can advance action.

The computer can indicate a players action with a flashing light on his screen and on the communal screen.

At showdown, if the computer determines a players cards must be shown they are shown on the center screen as well on the "table side" of the players screen(for the sake of visibility).

The benefits are,
1) Speed. The dealer doesn't have to clean up the deck, shuffle or deal but instead just presses a button.
2) Accuracy. There are no more misdeals or flashed cards, ever.
3) Speed at showdown. The computer determines order of action and opens only those cards that are supposed to be opened so there aren't idiot players keeping their cards hidden when it's their turn.
4) Speed of action. The computer will indicate to a player it's his action with a flashing light and an electric shock.
5) Dealers don't have to be trained how to physically deal so the casino saves money. Also, the job is easier so the job is more sought after which benefits the casino. Also, the dealer doesn't have to analyze the hands at showdown to determine the winner, the computer does this so no mistakes will occur.

On the river, once the last action is taken and showdown starts, 1/10th of a second later the computer indicates the winner and shows the necessary cards, the dealer pushes the pot, advances the button, says, "blinds please", pushes another button and the next hand is out. So, time between last action and next hands cards out might be 2 seconds instead of whatever it is now(like 25).

This will increase rake/hour, save on dealer injuries, eliminate the cost of cards and shuffling machines, and with the other benefits, make up for the cost of the computer screens very very quickly imo. And we get more poker.

Lighting may have to be strategically set to deal with glare.

The reason I don't want chips to be electronic is because there is a lot of physical behavior involving chips and so they are a big part of the game regarding reading physical behavior.

The casino will need access to a random number generator which is an issue. Some people will not trust this system, they will only trust a traditional deck but not every table in a casino has to be electronic.
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07-28-2017 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by zica
The casino will need access to a random number generator which is an issue.
huh?
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07-28-2017 , 03:25 PM
"4) Speed of action. The computer will indicate to a player it's his action with a flashing light and an electric shock."

Sounds like fun...




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07-28-2017 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by zica
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This will increase rake/hour, save on dealer injuries, . . . .
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07-28-2017 , 06:14 PM
The electronic table that already exist are the best version of live poker. How they never took off I don't know. They need upgrades and improvement for sure. But double the hands per hour and only 45 seconds to act combined with no dealer mistakes no acting out of turn and really no player mistakes they are amazing.

Oh and live PLO is the nuts on them
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07-28-2017 , 06:20 PM
I had the same idea once. However when it comes down to protecting once hole cards, i thought about using some modified glasses for each players. they would be modified in a way that they show you the hole cards when you push a button and are otherwise like sunglasses. They would also have some fat temples so one couldnt see the cards from an angle behind.
I also dont see a need for a big screen in the middle? aside from the hole cards, everything could be done by the screen in front of each player.
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07-28-2017 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by OMGMileyCyrus
The electronic table that already exist are the best version of live poker. How they never took off I don't know. They need upgrades and improvement for sure. But double the hands per hour and only 45 seconds to act combined with no dealer mistakes no acting out of turn and really no player mistakes they are amazing.

Oh and live PLO is the nuts on them

YEAH THIS! Feel the same way. Also accommodate short handed and even heads up at lower stakes in a way that can never happen in live casino games.
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07-28-2017 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by OMGMileyCyrus
The electronic table that already exist are the best version of live poker. How they never took off I don't know. They need upgrades and improvement for sure. But double the hands per hour and only 45 seconds to act combined with no dealer mistakes no acting out of turn and really no player mistakes they are amazing.

Oh and live PLO is the nuts on them
because dealers syndicate refuse to let casino buy them.
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07-29-2017 , 01:18 AM
I like the idea but it should have no dealer at all.
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07-29-2017 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by OMGMileyCyrus
The electronic table that already exist are the best version of live poker. How they never took off I don't know. They need upgrades and improvement for sure. But double the hands per hour and only 45 seconds to act combined with no dealer mistakes no acting out of turn and really no player mistakes they are amazing.

Oh and live PLO is the nuts on them
I can only imagine how ****ing awesome it is playing live PLO on electric tables, actually get to see more than 15 hands an hr , but i mean the reason it didn't take off would be super expensive I imagine compared to regular ol 20 yr old poker table + less than minimum wage dealer, and poker is the lowest priority of essentially every casino in the world because slots and table games make way more profit for them
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07-29-2017 , 02:00 AM
These tables failed badly in Macau. People wanna play with real cards and chips,me included.
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07-29-2017 , 02:03 AM
People also more trust live dealer because there aren't wires between RNG and display.
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07-29-2017 , 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Penetrator
People also more trust live dealer because there aren't wires between RNG and display.
actually this brings up a good point, people complain about online being rigged all the time at live tables, also I feel if live poker speeds up a ton with electric tables it won't be as enticing for that fish to overcall a 3b with 79ss oop because they can fold and see more hands per hour (as it is now people don't come to the casino to fold for hours seeing only 25/h an hour so it's super fishy)
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07-29-2017 , 08:44 AM
They are fun, and profitable, but you missed several negatives which I have seen first hand at Woodbine Casino/Racetrack in Toronto!
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07-29-2017 , 09:39 AM


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07-29-2017 , 10:04 AM
10percent rake...
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07-29-2017 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by OMGMileyCyrus
The electronic table that already exist are the best version of live poker. How they never took off I don't know.
They never took off because a very significant percentage of players, who btw are exactly the ones we want to play against, go to the casino for the experience. They don't want to play poker, roulette or black jack with/against a machine.

Same reason people still go to the brothel instead of using a sex doll at home.
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07-29-2017 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by madlex
They never took off because a very significant percentage of players, who btw are exactly the ones we want to play against, go to the casino for the experience. They don't want to play poker, roulette or black jack with/against a machine.

Same reason people still go to the brothel instead of using a sex doll at home.
What's a brothel?
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07-29-2017 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by tercet
They are fun, and profitable, but you missed several negatives which I have seen first hand at Woodbine Casino/Racetrack in Toronto!
Tell us more. (I haven't been out to Woodbine in a long while; has it changed much? Is PLO still occasionally dealt?)
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07-29-2017 , 02:43 PM
So OP basically wants to kill what's left of player interaction.
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07-29-2017 , 03:24 PM
It failed because electronic poker is rigged
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07-29-2017 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Slazinger
So OP basically wants to kill what's left of player interaction.
Not at all. I want to make the cards electronic to speed up the game so I can play more poker.

Just how much do you think this would reduce player interaction? I'm all for disallowing sunglasses, hat visor's down, and putting one's hands in front of one's face.

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It failed because electronic poker is rigged
Yes. But the older generation who are most suspicious of e-anything are fading away. Also, a room could have a few electronic tables and the rest traditional so players have a choice.
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07-29-2017 , 06:35 PM
the fish want real chips, dealers and cards but computer assistance should be a thing. put sensors in the chips and display player amount, bet, pot and calculate the payout









Last edited by r0eKY; 07-29-2017 at 06:42 PM.
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07-30-2017 , 12:42 AM
They fail because the 'fun' players have a built-in excuse as to why they are losing... "rigged!" AND because (of the speed of the game) the bad players get annihilated. Also, even with reasonable rake, because you get 45+ hands per hour, the house takes waaaay too much out of the games.

1. No 'fun' players
2. Bad players lose twice as fast
3. Rake is relentless
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4. Many/most people prefer real chips and cards

I played a ton of electronic poker and I absolutely loved it! Eventually though, the games just become completely reg infested. That said... PLO (and tournaments) are the absolute nuts on the electronic format.
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07-30-2017 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by zica View Post
The casino will need access to a random number generator which is an issue.
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Originally Posted by TwitchySeal
huh?
Casino RNG rig will be even worse than Pokerstars.
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