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Harrington pots the turn and bets less than pot on the river. Clearly with this discombobulated geometric pot growth he is representing a scared KJ. If he is repping KJ he either a) has KJ, which he folds to a raise, b) has much better, against which Q9 is losing, or c) has much worse, which wont call a raise.

Harrington mangled his bet-sizing and astute poker player Tom Dwan latched onto it in an instant and made the correct range-based call.

Karganeth, I may not agree with all of the above but what you are questioning seems to have been explained here. As to the actual thought process Tom had here considering the weird bet-sizing I won't speak, but clearly he came to a similar conclusion in this particular spot.

Tom is certainly raising with Q9 and less in similar "spots", but against this opponent, after this odd sequence, he concluded he couldn't raise for value, so I doubt TD gets exploited here.

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09-25-2010 , 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Karganeth

The strongest strategy is one which you can tell your opponent and yet he is still unable to figure out how to exploit it.

OK, well, my strategy is to raise for value when last to act on the river, only when I expect to make money by doing so.

It's just a wild guess, but durrrr might have a similar strategy.

If that's exploitable, I'd sure like to know how.

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09-25-2010 , 02:37 AM

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'I would think harrington25 is pretty darn qualified to comment on the hand. If it were "standard", that log wouldn't exist, nor would this thread.'

Yup, harrington25 is right...everyone else (who disagrees with him) is wrong...impeccable logic...end thread!!!

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09-25-2010 , 03:37 AM

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Just watched the pokerstatic interview. He looks like he's 12 years old.

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09-25-2010 , 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by hammer_time

Unless Durrrr could see Harrington's hole cards and also knew that full tilt support randomly checked the mucked hole cards of high stakes players for anomolies e.g. folding the third nuts to a river bet.

Folding the third nuts would basically prove he was superusing whereas calling leaves it open to debate.

yeah cause this is clearly the most logical explanation for calling with a bottom boat on the river in omaha.

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09-25-2010 , 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by troll_itt

There's nothing odd about this sequence. To not raise Q9 here seems ultra weak since only T

, T

and QQ (1 combination) could beat him. jungleman12 hasn't shown a crazy amount of strength and he could easily be betting a very wide range of hands (due to the turn being very draw heavy). To me it seems like putting him on 4 possible hands (TT QQ) is just crazy.

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09-25-2010 , 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Karganeth

There's nothing odd about this sequence. To not raise Q9 here seems ultra weak since only T

, T

Not sure what jungleman12 has to do with this, but anyway, it's not mainly a question of what hands have him beat, it's a question of what worse hands will call a raise.

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09-25-2010 , 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MinusEV

Not sure what jungleman12 has to do with this, but anyway, it's not mainly a question of what hands have him beat, it's a question of what worse hands will call a raise.

Jared. My mistake. Anyway, my point isn't the specifics of the hand, I'm talking about the general strategy and the consequences of only raising QQ and 99 in that spot. The only way to call is if durrrr had some kind of obvious read on his opponent like bet timing and bet sizing.

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09-25-2010 , 09:54 AM

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durrrr: i jus click buttons buddy

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09-25-2010 , 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Karganeth

There's nothing odd about this sequence. To not raise Q9 here seems ultra weak since only T

, T

You're doing it wrong.

You're only thinking about what hands beat him. You're not thinking about what hands will call if he raises given the previous action in the pot. If no hands will call except hands that beat you then there is no value to raising.

You should read Luke Schwartzs explanation as to why he checked back the 2nd nut flush in position HU NLHE (he had Kd on a 4 diamond board). It will make things clearer to you. Briefly, his reasoning was that his opponent either had the Ad or no diamonds given the prior action. Thus no value to betting his 2nd nuts. His opponent did have the Ad and was going for the river c/r.

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09-25-2010 , 10:13 AM

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Yesterday I saw Russ Hamilton hand over an USB stick to Durrrr. Probably with some kind of software to see hole cards.

Joe Franklin raped me.

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09-25-2010 , 11:57 AM

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Is there still a thread going on about how durrrr didn't raise the third nuts on the river? Playing Lolmaha

I see

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09-25-2010 , 01:17 PM

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Every so often a thread come up that mystifies for all the wrong reasons.

This is one such thread.

Let's discuss the weather now. That ought to be just as much a revelation.

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09-25-2010 , 01:39 PM

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harrington must have been high when he said that

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09-25-2010 , 03:14 PM

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isnt harrington betting all his draws on the flop?

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09-25-2010 , 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bentonja

isnt harrington betting all his draws on the flop?

what on earth are you on about

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09-25-2010 , 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bentonja

isnt harrington betting all his draws on the flop?

What difference does it make? If he just has a busted draw (unlikely, given the action), what would be the point of raising on the river with a hand that has any showdown value?

I think that's why C-Unit is curious as to "what you're on about."

Cor, blimey.

There seems to be this failure of many here to properly identify the actual reason one might raise in a given circumstance. Raising is most useful when you will make an inferior hand call or an inferior hand fold.

OK, those are all the reasons, when you're last to act on the river.

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09-25-2010 , 05:28 PM

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Raising is most useful when you will make an inferior hand call or an inferior hand fold.

OK, those are all the reasons, when you're last to act on the river.

You meant a "better" hand fold, as I'm sure you realize...

Plus you are reopening the action, so you have to worry about either paying off a reraise from a better hand, or getting bluffed off the best hand (IIRC stacks were deep enough for both of those to be a consideration here).

Anyhoo, TTHRIC.

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09-25-2010 , 11:23 PM

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Very rude of Harrington25.

No debate here. Superuser folds.

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09-25-2010 , 11:49 PM

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Super standard to call, no worse hand is gonna call a reraise except for maybe the same hand.

And why would Durrrr call if he knew he were beat anyway??

This Harrington dude seems pretty clueless here, really thought higher of him.