Durrrr hand Questioned...Why? - Page 3 - Poker News

Apparently durrrr had what he considered a showdown hand, based on his read, so he showed it down (i.e. he just called).

For a value raise to be correct here, you have to be confident you are ahead, AND that your opponent will call with worse hands, AND that you won't get bluffed off the best hand, AND that you won't pay off better hands.

That's a whole bunch of ANDs.

I am not good enough to know if calling was better than raising in nosebleed PLO...................but I do know that this is likely the thought process about the river raise.

so +1.

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09-23-2010 , 07:38 PM

#52

squints914

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Originally Posted by Dogboy714

There are a lot of holdem players here saying "OMG! Superuser!". Anyone who plays Omaha regularly knows this is an ultra-standard flat. It's not even close.

This.

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09-23-2010 , 07:41 PM

#53

Pax

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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros

Here's how that conversation will probably go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qPgrCFcwFk#t=01m54s

I happen to know for a fact that in private Harrington refers to durrrr exlusively as Mr. Son of a Bitch. So +1

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09-23-2010 , 07:50 PM

#54

MinusEV

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Originally Posted by Dogboy714

There are a lot of holdem players here saying "OMG! Superuser!".

There are? A lot? Really?

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09-23-2010 , 07:51 PM

#55

knght311

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Originally Posted by Fatcatn2

Where? Cause PTR does not show his whole cards.

That is strange, I just rewatched the hand, and they were hidden.

I saw them last night, I can't remember the exact cards but he had Q9 100%

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09-23-2010 , 07:54 PM

#56

craigmarq

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Harrington makes himself look pretty stupid sometimes.

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09-23-2010 , 08:29 PM

#57

jackofhearts

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i dont play ultra nose bleeds but I dont get why he thinks he should raise the river after the way the hand was played. maybe durrr thinks he would lead straights on the flop and after he checks and pots the turn and bets the river he has more full houses than straights?? and that straights are folding to a raise and worse 9s full hands don't pot the turn and he obv could have combo like 93 but its durrr and hes got reads or he is just clicking buttons. also i've called with over full on river before without noticing i had a fullhouse so it could just be a missclick.

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09-23-2010 , 08:52 PM

#58

Ultim8Degen

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Originally Posted by spacespoon

No wonder durrr wins. He's a luckbox

FYP

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09-23-2010 , 08:52 PM

#59

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Originally Posted by Kroesial

This. Against a normal (not some ultra-agressive beast) player this is a flat call 95% of the time, since you wont get looked up by worse hands very often.

I mean Harrington knows he has a nitty reputation relative to other HS PLO players, so I'm not sure why he's so surprised.

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09-23-2010 , 08:52 PM

#60

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this is pretty standard in PLO, most people questioning Durrrs play here simply dont play enough PLO, NO limit holdem strategy clearly does not apply in Omaha, and this isnt your regular home game were you can donk pot/repot with like the 8th nuts or something

and LOL @ Durrr owing Harrington an explanation, Durrr does not owe an explanation to him, why should he or anybody else for that matter have to give away stategy & clues every time someone cries foul, especially with money at stake

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09-23-2010 , 09:24 PM

#61

denverspam

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Originally Posted by gordo16

lol wtf, for how much controversy this hand seems to have drawn up, that's a pretty damn standard river flat

Agreed. You have to be careful with the underfull boat.

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09-23-2010 , 10:01 PM

#62

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Originally Posted by ArcadianSky

i wouldn't exactly call it "standard"

Well the person you quoted saying it was standard is easily the most qualified person who has posted in this thread to say whether it is standard or not. Just sayin...

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09-23-2010 , 10:13 PM

#63

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Originally Posted by hammer_time

Unless Durrrr could see Harrington's hole cards and also knew that full tilt support randomly checked the mucked hole cards of high stakes players for anomolies e.g. folding the third nuts to a river bet.

Folding the third nuts would basically prove he was superusing whereas calling leaves it open to debate.

Only "realistic" way durrrr could see the hole cards would be if Full Tilt was in on it. Imo.

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09-23-2010 , 10:15 PM

#64

coolnout

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when people tilt they say stupid stuff

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09-23-2010 , 10:37 PM

#65

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Originally Posted by Vega33

durrrr: i jus click buttons buddy
durrrr: i thought thts y u play me

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09-23-2010 , 10:50 PM

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Otompsett

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His turn bet indicates the strength of a straight or set. Hardly any draws are potting there, and any straights are c/c or c/f that river.

Yes, dwan has a boat, but what worse hand is H25 betting that river with, that is worse than dwan's, and also calling a raise? None. Standard flat. /thread.

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09-24-2010 , 12:01 AM

#67

MonkeyPox

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If he was superusing, wouldn't he have folded to the river bet?

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09-24-2010 , 12:04 AM

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Stake Monster

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i've flatted the 3rd nuts in nl before.. i'm sure it happens more often than harrington's reaction would make it seem.. Sometimes you just know and/or you want to see your opponent's hand or something.

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09-24-2010 , 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by gordo16

lol wtf, for how much controversy this hand seems to have drawn up, that's a pretty damn standard river flat

+1. I wouldn't raise this river against any semi-decent reg. I mean WTF is he supposed to be getting value from? T9's the only hand that's even remotely plausible to call with and it's going to fold the river a decent amount, not even to mention the fact that most T9 combos probably check turn too.

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09-24-2010 , 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyJ

Well the person you quoted saying it was standard is easily the most qualified person who has posted in this thread to say whether it is standard or not. Just sayin...

I would think harrington25 is pretty darn qualified to comment on the hand. If it were "standard", that log wouldn't exist, nor would this thread.

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09-24-2010 , 03:20 AM

#71

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Originally Posted by ArcadianSky

I would think harrington25 is pretty darn qualified to comment on the hand. If it were "standard", that log wouldn't exist, nor would this thread.

Even though it was right after losing the pot? Obv tilt chat.

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09-24-2010 , 03:26 AM

#72

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Originally Posted by ArcadianSky

I would think harrington25 is pretty darn qualified to comment on the hand. If it were "standard", that log wouldn't exist, nor would this thread.

apparently he's not qualified enough to learn that 3rd nuts doesnt necesarily equate a re-raise

how the hell he's a pro at this stage to be questioning a standard call befuddles me, possibly he seriously underestimated Durrrr ability considerably

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09-24-2010 , 03:57 AM

#73

hammer_time

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Originally Posted by ThorDrdn

I bet you're one of these 911 conspiracy idiots.

OH MY GOD SOMEONE MADE A GOOD PLAY, CONSPIRACY TIME!!!!!!

Lol at you calling me an idiot when you can't even read and a comprehend a simple post in context.

Hint: I didn't accuse or suggest Durrrr of superusing, I merely explained to a poster that Durrrr not folding doesn't necessarily imply he isn't a superuser.

Super obvious hint in case you are actually borderline ******ed: Pointing out a flaw in someone's argument doesn't mean I automatically hold the opposing view.

Same goes to everyone else who referenced my post like a dumbass.