lol standard live player syndrome. let them have this one guys, its important to them

I'm not saying all online players are fish, and there are some players (Ivey, Dwan, etc) that are good at both, but just like there are live players that suck online, there are online players that suck live.

i think the point most people here are trying to make, is that if you were to take a group of winning small stakes online cash grinders (100-200nl)

and compare them to the regs in the small stakes live games (200nl-500nl)

the online regs are going to be vastly superior in just about every way, and would beat the live regs at both online and live over any meaningful sample.

I disagree.

Of course. You're a live fish.

I live in a college town with an Indian casino. After BF, I saw a lot of young guns try and come play live. Most of them failed. So, unlike you "vastly superior" online players, I actually have some facts to back me up.

That's because you prob play 1/2 and these "young guns" were probably winning 25NL players but didn't have the roll to sustain 1/2 fluctuations.

I have yet to meet a winning online player that couldn't absolutely destroy the same stakes live.

Lol, so they can't beat 1/2 live, but they are "vastly superior". Got it.

Where did I say they couldn't beat 1/2 live?? Do you not know what fluctuations are?

Do it the same way as the guys that made life on the line.

you are wrong

This is definitely true.

However, it depends on exactly what you mean when you talk about which set of players are 'best'. Fundamentally, the online players are going to be, on average, a lot better than the live players. Simply down to the sheer # of hands they play in comparison. They generally have a much better grasp of the technical side of the game than the average live pro.

But then again, the edge they have technically could be countered when they play live by the experience the live players have. It has a whole different set of skills when its face to face. I'm not just talking live tells, there are probably plenty of amazing online players who struggle socially who would play awful live.

The difference is the online players that have mastered the game can easily improve the skills they need to improve in live games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSk1mwY8N2M

It's almost like LA's giving rakeback

im solid winning 400nl online player, and can probably beat just about any live game that gets spread up to 25/50 at least.

These "young guns" are probably not actual grinders who played online, especially if they were playing 200nl+ bc most of them, especially the winning ones, would find a way to continue playing whether it be relocation or playing on US friendly sites.

I know plenty of people who struggle to beat 50nl online, and consistently beat the 1/2 live games... this really isnt a matter of opinion, its just a fact. feel free to take it or leave it

I'm not saying it isn't fact. I'm just saying they are 2 different skill sets. Saying one or the other is superior is like saying people who ride unicycles are superior to jugglers.

They are not different skill sets. It's the same game but with more information available. A winning online player can adjust to the passivity of live games easily. The reason you post what you do is because you can't beat either discipline. Lol at unicycles and juggling...

alfwoods lost this argument how many pages ago?

pretty happy they don't seem to play much online around foxwoods

see ya at the 5/10 table!

fwiw i see live fish say ridiculous **** all the time about how much they used to crush online, that are just like, clearly lies the more you talk to them about it.

Actually I'm not arguing at all. I'm just telling you facts that you aren't capable of understanding.

Heard that a lot too. Players that I am clearly better than, and I never was able to get a big roll online. Perhaps I just take live games more seriously.

i'm assuming you're a foxwoods regs based on your username...there is a reason i do the 3 hour drive to foxwoods from ny to play 2/5 or 5/10 from NY when i could just play online in my pajamas... i mean like, guys that are just ******s that i see doing stuff that no online player would ever do will talk about how they used to play 10/20 or high-stakes MTTs or whatever online. so i don't take what people say at face value. the random regs i play at nl1-200 are much more solid then literally anyone i've played against at 2/5. probably true that anyone beating nl50 could destroy live 2/5 as well.

some guy told me he used to be big online MTT crusher at borgata last december i told him my friend had just shipped an FTOPs and i had a piece of the friend so i was pretty happy and the guy didn't know what the FTOPs is...another reg whom i really hate and is horrible for the game in general claimed he used to play nl1-2k for a living online on FTP i said i used to as well (i've never been a reg at that level), he asked me what my screenname was i made one up and he said he knew who i was. then i made up another reg and a fish too and he just went along talking about it for 30 minutes. then i told him it was a troll lols.

and it's always at the 1/2 or 2/5 level too. though i had funny experience at bellagio 5/10 in january...we were 4 handed all 20somethings and waiting for the game to fill and online poker came up and realized we all play eachother all day at SSNLHE on winning network once we admitted our screennames. heh good times i wanted to leave the table then though...

i heard life = online divided by 10. nl10=nl100 live
where can i see this film?

You should look up the word facts in the dictionary. You will find it wildly different to your understanding of what it means.

Oh, I thought since you were making a film about gambling addiction you would have heard about it/read the directors blog. They used a media player that limits viewers to 2 views of the film, and charged about $5/download. I'm not exactly what media player they used, but im sure you could find out what it's called and use the same people to distribute that way.

will we see this doc one day?