Thank you, a great reason then not to put me on ignore! ;-)

Who is this Eyoore chap, he sounds like an interesting fellow.

I did find the video funny and I did get what Doug was doing, I just don't think he did it very well and was in essence shooting at a target (an incorrect or laughable DNegs view) that doesn't actually exist in this instance. All I originally said was that it had a "muddled narrative" and that it wasn't his best work, both of which I stick by.

I do kind of get why DNegs brought up the "my big bro defends me and wants to break the bones in people's faces" thing, because it's okay being attacked for something that has a real basis behind it, but this Doug video was a gratuitous attack on DNegs IMO, almost like Doug had run out of material or topics to attack DNegs with so he decided to scrape the barrel.

Felt it to be pretty much mandatory to pop in and drop a post saying how much enjoyment and laffs I am having from how obtuse sage donkey is about Doug's video.

OK, here you go. this very much reminds me of the Kanye West / fish sticks episode on South Park. Sage Donkey i bet you never knew you had so much in common with Kanye

Glad to be of service.

Perhaps it takes a deeper understanding of art and satire than many ITT possess, to decipher the fundamental flaw in Doug's video.

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"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain

I have to say sage is right in this case. Yes the video is funny and meant to be comedy. But there is a logical inconsistency in the narrative. It's not a big deal but it's there and IMO is the type of thing that separates great comedians from the mediocre. We've all seen other videos where dougs message is hilarious and 100% on point. This just wasn't quite one. Relax fan boys it's all going to be ok. I'm sure Doug appreciates genuine attempts at feedback rather than instant blind praise regardless of the quality of product or performance.

Yes, and the crux of this is Barry Greenstein's ranking of 4th or 5th based on ~1/250th of Doug himself's cashes and a much, much lower ROI than Doug's.

Now had Doug said, "let's see where I am... scrolled down and seen he was in say 56th and then noticed Greenstein one place ahead of him in 55th, then a) the joke about Greenstein would still have been funny, but b) it would have fitted the narrative that Doug started out with of "I don't want people (those complaining about the new points system) to jump off any ledges", because it would have broadly indicated that a decent volume of unspectacular consistent cashes in smaller buy in big sized fields could be justified or seen as acceptable to being the equivalent of 2 big cashes in bigger buy in smaller field comps.

But when he showed Greenstein in 4th/5th it killed his whole argument completely and his assertion that some players (i.e. DNegs) were crying over nothing and therefore were fair game to be mocked about it.

I'm chiming in.

Sage is clearly of a level of intelligence where he will not be exceptional at poker, having charisma, and probably shouldn't be invited or allowed into polite company.

With this video, I have to agree that it wasn't that good. I appreciate that the target is admirable in that no1 else seems to want to call out Negreanu's B.S. even though everybody knows how he operates. As a comedy connoisseur, yes throwing together a lot of skits sometimes works, this case didn't.

I wouldn't have commented on the quality if people hadn't already and I think it's rude. So Sage, I recommend you looking for other life interests outside of the internet.

My $0.02.

Thanks for your comments on who I am as a person or what I should or shouldn't do with my life but with all due respect you know close to zero about me other than how I debate in the written word on a poker chat forum.

It is now coming through that probably my view is correct regarding the muddled narrative, as you and some others are now agreeing with it.

What has happened here, as is often the case on NVG, is that I disagree with the majority view, so because of this a lot of people go on the attack against me. I then defend my point, but am under even more attacks for defending it. I then have two choices, to shut up and go away (probably I should do this more often), or to carry on defending my point of view, in what I believe to be a civil and logical way.

I'm from the UK. I intended to be a comedian. I know comedy. I used to post in forums like you did about what is funny, what isn't.

I don't anymore. For a few reasons.

I don't think you are a bad person, I just think you are a time waster.

Please respect my views on this!

I never said it wasn't funny, in fact I said the opposite. I said it has a muddled narrative. I appreciate that I have made many posts defending my POV, but if you do read back on them you will see this.

Yes I am a time waster, but then so are all of the people arguing with me about how the video makes sense as a piece of satire when blatantly it does not due to the reasons I outlined.

I only have a few hours to spare, so I unfortunately can't read all of SageDonkey's Very Important Musings. But I did help write the video and have two cents.

The POY system is indeed quite odd this year. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's bad, and even it did, it's a stupid thing to whine about. When a millionaire ambassador tweets from his luxury trailer that he can't bring himself to play $1ks, that comes off as extremely out of touch. The sort of disconnect with reality that would make you declare an intention to win 3 bracelets. Maybe he has a point when he dedicates multiple episodes of his vanity project to moaning about POY, but that just makes you a ridiculous man with a point. One that nobody else really cares about.

dnegs hasn't had to work in 10 years.

By the way, if you're of the opinion that mocking both sides of an argument nullifies comedy, I can only assume that you've never seen South Park and highly recommend that you do.

So you are partly to blame, lol.

Too much unjustified hate, jealousy, resentment or whatever it is towards DNegs IMO. If you haven't watched Kid Poker please watch it as it came across as a very balanced view of his life. It tells you a lot about him and how he is a goal setter by nature, POY being one of these each year, and importantly about how his late parents are an ongoing driver behind his will to succeed in everything he does.

I know that Doug and many others of the younger generation worked super hard and had many ups and downs along the way, but having seen the Kid Poker film, he really did come up the hard way and has sustained his success over many, many years.

So whatever one thinks about him taking the easy way out by supporting or trying to justify in some way more Pokerstars rake, his other achievements surpass all of that by an enormous amount.

I've seen a lot of your work (SrslySirius) and what I have seen is often brilliant and amazing, but as we all sometimes do, you have made an error here.

DNegs perhaps coming across as a big shot in his trailer is not a justification for ripping him apart for his view on the POY points scoring system in a video that then proves he is actually right about this within the first minute!

I may be wrong about this, but I believe that the new system was not announced in advance of the series, so to call him lazy for not entering $1Ks is also unjustified.

Even if it was announced before the series he is still well within his rights to play his own level of buy ins and to expect the POY points formula to fairly take into account the skill levels needed for particular variants and the strength of the fields in them relative to NLHE comps, as well as the other factors such as field sizes and ROI.

I would also think that if the system isn't changed next year then he will play some smaller buy ins, because he is an adaptable creature.

I appreciate Doug (and you) have a job to do and by and large you do it extremely well, but this video was a fail.

I can't wait to read every single word of that.

If you don't read it, all you are doing is hiding from the plain truth.

Game, set and match to me.

How can I make it so that I don't see someone's posts anymore? Tired of seeing SageDonkey spew bull**** in every thread

Click on Edit Options under My 2+2 in the upper left corner. If you look at the Control Panel to the left Edit Ignore List is one of the options. Just add him to the list.

It looks like your mind is muddled about this issue as well. You were not "hated on" (LOL) by me for referencing the Butterfly Effect or for providing the Wiki link. I gave you grief because in addition to the above, you also included a parenthetical explanation that it's called the Butterfly Effect because a butterfly flaps its wings. JFC, anyone above the age of 6 could've figured that out for themselves. This was just another in a long, long, long, line of examples of you writing theses for posts in which you go into every minute detail of whatever the subject happens to be. Most of your posts could be reduced 75% without losing any pertinent information in your discussion of the topic at hand.

And to help clear the cobwebs from your head about this discussion, as well as to demonstrate that your narrative about what occurred is a complete fabrication of your imagination, here is our exchange on the subject:

I find myself agreeing more and more with the points you make, however when it comes to the meaning behind them, I am afraid we may be misaligned.

Now I have not yet personally tried my hand at hand at vlogging, however I have made a video or two back in my day. While it does seem complex, the implementation of correct idealogy with a congruent script, is not nearly as hard as it seems.

While I do enjoy Doug's content, it seems sometimes to be misguided. I personally am starting to wonder what his real motives are, and as much as I think he would like us to be blindly faithful to his narrative, it is but a step too far for me to take.

Many people ask me as to what my personal opinion is on the matter, but I only have so much time in the day to respond to all of the smaller issues at play. This one though, is large enough to where even myself, WiseMule, has to step in and explain the depth of which lies beneath the apparent subject matter itself.

Frankly, and as much as I would love to chase the point around the bushes, this comes down to a simple oversight from Doug's team. I think I speak for at least a large portion of people in this forum, when I say that I expect a thorough digression of plotline through this new age take on film, which the recent video lacks in many areas.

It is a bit much for us to make that jump, no... leap to assume that the major points are hit due to their comic intent. Just because something is supposed to be humorous (And I use the word supposed in all but the most liberal manner), does not thus make its direction sufficient enough for us to believe it in its entirety.

I have own thoughts on Player of the Year, which i think should be taken within two rounds. First a qualification round to set the point at which players may enter for the chase of the crown, and then second a round robin formula using regression models to most accurately determine player of the year with highest probability. I will leave it there, my analysis breaking this down further will be coming within the next day or two. (Maybe 3, but I promise a message is forthcoming, my last name does not sound like spaghetti after all).

I would say I may be wrong here, but we both know as sure as the dawns light is orange that this is the correct process. Until we see a dramatic rise in professionalism from Doug, I can only imagine the Youtube audience that Negreanu will continue to enjoy. (Stay tuned for my PoY analysis).

SageDonkey, is that you?

"WiseMule" rofl

lol

Well he has these goals to have something to aim at and keep on the grind, however unrealistic. I think many will share the approach when it comes to results oriented goals that are always luck based, the illusion of control makes your brain to put in the work.


I'm all for brutal digs, pointing out flaws and using comedy to do it
I don't want team Polk come here and get all serious though
Let us be smart enough to come to conclusions after you make a comedy vid