he still has a poker training site, the really high chance of busting and failing the challenge has much higher negative ultility than not completing it at all/playing two sessions per year

It's like the durrr challenge in that respect.

lol that was quick
https://upswingpoker.com/fernando-ha...t-limit-omaha/

Pretty hilarious

Lol wtf is this real

We are talking poker players here... if he is producing good content then the people paying wouldn't care if he beat up the grandma and yanked the scarfs out of her hands. This just serves as free advertising.

Really funny though.

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Itd be nice to hear jnandez with some sort of response to all this crap. Alot of people saying he was bad for awhile now, hows he not defend himself? t looks even worse for him being quite

Snakenando should be overjoyed to get publicity really. Have heard jack **** about him or what he’s been up to ever since he backstabbed upswing.

Sorry for a long post. I haven't posted for a while about JNandez or PLO coaching ITT.

I would imagine that JNandez is doing very well financially out of his training site, based on the number of YouTube subscribers he has, which is 26,700

Upswing poker have 29,700, Run It Once have only 3,500

His YouTube videos generally get ~7,000 views

His PLO course is $99 per month, so if one very conservatively says that only 1% of his YouTube subscribers pay $99 per month for the course then it's $26.5K revenue per month which is $317K per year.

And given that it appears he is frugal with costs, trying to get out of the knitting contract, lol, and some anecdotal "evidence" of letting staff (content creators) go, it seems likely that he is doing very well financially from his PLO coaching course company.

He is a good PLO coach for sure, however what I don't like about his coaching is that he is always learning stuff and working new things out and running sims on solvers etc, etc, which is partly paradoxical because he claims to be great at PLO and know all of the concepts to teach to others, but at the same time is always making new discoveries about strategies.

Some of these discoveries, that I have observed, were really basic things that IMO he should have known about years ago, for example that multi way pre flop aggression (potting and re-potting by other players), devalues our hand if we have a high card hand because we can safely assume card removal of many of the high cards in the deck as well as therefore be dominated by better high card hands than ours.

Well this is really, really obvious, but it took studying a PLO solver for him to fully realise this, according to what he said in one of his YouTube videos.

The above is reinforced by the fact that on one of his free YouTube videos he did while still under UpSwing's banner/umbrella he applied completely the wrong ranges (they were far too low) to his opponents' pre flop hands in the exact situation above, where there was a lot of raising and re-raising. I questioned this on another thread somewhere, or it may even be ITT. He would now be applying the correct ranges having recently discovered them using a solver.

So his coaching is good but I would treat it with caution and do your own study and research to confirm that what he is teaching is all correct.

Obviously, you only have to be better than the line up you are playing against to be a winning poker player, it doesn't necessarily follow that you are playing optimal, you might still be making mistakes, and I think that this is the case with some of his PLO coaching. He beats the games he plays in, but still makes some mistakes.

His coaching focuses on cash games, but when he starts talking about PLO tournaments he says some wrong things, for example his explanation he gave about why you often raise less pre (meaning a smaller raise size) than in NLHE MTTs was completely wrong, but I am not going to volunteer why it was wrong on this thread!

wow

Seems like Fernando got turned over :/

bam bam shots fired

Damn sounds like Fees bought the URL for RIO poker right after Galfond announced he was creating a poker site. Can't imagine the level of douche you have to be to dick over Phil Galfond.

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Just watched the whole thing. Things not looking good for upswing if what he's saying is true

Cliffs? Am watching but it's like an hour long.

+1 yes please, I can't listen to this guy talk for an hour.

It's just my opinion that (IMO) from what I remember of watching it -- again, this is just my opinion -- that Fernando got ****ed -- again, this is just my opinion -- over by Upswing, from what I remember of the vid.

Cliffs:

- Doug reached out to his fanboy Fernando offering to make the PLO University and Fernando agrees to 25% cut even though he feels it's way too small (business fish)

-Fern lets them know that he feels 25% is too little but he accepts with the gentlemen's agreement that Fern later does more stuff for upswing and gets a cut of 50%-75%

- When course is done Fern learns that Joey has been hired as an affiliate, which is supposedly really weird to do in the first big week of sales (would expect to save affiliates to bump up the sales later when things cool down instead)

- Joey gets 25% ($250) from every purchase made through affiliate link and then Fern gets 25% of the $750 left over

- Fern pitches PLO Lab to stay up to date with solvers. Upswing agrees offering 30% cut and Fern is shocked because he thought they had the gentlemen's agreement that he gets more . Upswing insists he IS getting paid more than 25%.

- Once again Joey is made affiliate in his favour over Fern and makes more money than Fern from affiliate sales. The fact that only 5/140 affiliate signups were new (without having bought PLO University) makes it worse as Joey is basically getting paid twice for bringing in the same people.

- Fern tries to reason with upswing communicating his unhappiness and tries to negotiate now but they sternly shut down any discussion as the contract is signed

- Also talked to Joey who he considered a friend but Joey also wasn't having any of it as Joey was making a ton of money (again "contract is signed").

- Joey also pushed for a 3h podcast with Fern where he aggressively pushed PLO University for a quick money grab, promising he'd make additional videos which were never created

- Later increasingly miserable Fern goes through the contract, finds the loophole and says he's leaving.

- Upswing reacts very aggressively, threatening to sue and promising if Fern does this that they'll make sure he'll forever be hated and never work with anyone in poker ever again (Coletta allegedly said this IIRC)

- Finally upswing realises they can't do anything legally as long as fern gives 3 months notice, which he did

- Meanwhile fern is not getting paid for first of the 3 months. Talks to upswing, they say he'll get paid in total after the 3 months, he says ok.

- Does not get paid (owed ~90k). Upswing pretty much plays dumb and later somehow offers only $1.2k for the total of 3 month's work. Fern feels bullied and pressured and doesn't want to go to court with a big American company so he just agrees and wants to be done with it.

- He hasn't even been paid the $1.2k. Fine, he just wants to be done with it.

- Fern wanted to find a way to, together with upswing, communicate the reasons he's leaving diplomatically to the customers well in advance before he leaves. Upswing first refused and wanted to leave it until late, but later seemingly accepted.

- So Fern goes to bed under the impression that they'll all together communicate the news as easily as possible to the customers

- However Doug goes back on his word and launches the big smearing attack on Fern, shutting him out of the fb group, when he knows fern is asleep and won't be able to respond in a few hours.

Other random:

- When Fern first went to meet Doug in person in his house in Las Vegas he went with fees and another friend. Doug just talked to fees for 15min completely blanking Fern and not even looking at him while Fern was standing awkwadly with a bottle of whisky he brought as a gift, waiting to be acknowldeged. (they'd talked on skype obv prior to this)

- Fern at some point talked to an unnamed upswing member over skyped who in a manic state said (something like, not verbatim) "HAVE YOU MADE MORE VIDEOS? I HAVE SO MUCH MONEY BUT I NEED MORE."

- Fern was again increasingly uncomfortable with working in such an environment.

- Every time Fern tried to reason with Doug over skype he'd feel beaten since Doug is much more articulate in English and would never feel his concerns were properly acknowledged.

-Finally with the loophole thing Fern felt like he had the upper hand and it's at this point Doug really realised he's beaten and started ramping up the threats.

- Unnamed upswing member bought rio domain. I thought this was jmo so don't really get it, but I guess Doug, fees, or coletta bought it and had no-f***ks-given jmo to play like he did so upswing could save face (and avoid lawsuit??). Fern was very uncomfortable with this and let Galfond know

Cliffs obviously subject to me misunderstanding or misremembering or missing important info, so probably still watch the video at 1.5x speed or something.

if you like poker drama, this is the pinnacle. just watch it.

Everyone knows that when you visit Doug in his home, he is up there waiting in the gallery wearing a silk dressing gown and suede slippers and makes you wait 10 minutes. You are then beckoned up by him but all you see is the back of a leather armchair, it then spins around and there he is, the great man, stroking Binks on his lap, ........ "I have been expecting you Mr Harbegger"

Damn fine job at the cliffs, Dbk_killer. That being said, y'all wanting cliffs really should just watch the entire video.

Anyone who has been around here long enough to remember what Doug and his crew are really like isn't surprised prob. I like some of the content that has been created but they have always seemed like greedy, petty little ****s. Based on clifffs Joey doesn't really seem to be at fault for much, besides not making additional videos when he said he would? Hard not to believe this, not following through with a responsibility like this sounds exactly like something a lazy/spoiled poker player like Joey would do, (I've been more or less this for a long time too).

Ugh, you're right.

Pretty sick EU counterstrategy to release it when he knows Doug is asleep and won't be able to respond in a few hours.