I don't understand the joke, handicapped or not, what was supposed to be funny about that?

wear condoms if you don't want to have kids, ha ha ha?

Wear condoms because your kids could turn out like this. That seems to be the joke.

Unexploitable if not mis-applied.

Doug based his call of the shove on 3 factors:

a) That his QQ was at/near the top of his 4 bet range, so he leaves himself open to being bluffed too much if he passes it. Logical.

b) The amount of equity (pot odds) he needs to have to make the call. Logical.

c) The calculation of his equity based on his/a solver's perceived range of JKoon's hand. Logical, but IMO the range and its associated probabilities need adjusting according to the board texture and the flop action.

I think the joke is basically a condescending commentary on what some people deem to be a social under class with the inference being that they are not worthy of the freedom to procreate as they see fit.

There may also be some political overtones of "we, the hard working, intellectually superior, well educated taxpayers are funding these benefits claiming families with our taxes".

I don't find the "joke" funny because judging someone based purely on their appearance is wrong and because I am neither a eugenicist nor a classist.

The joke maybe is funny until you break it down.

Yeah, it's not a joke, but an inhuman statement displaying a want of eugenic hygiene. It's disturbing and calling it a joke is a belittlement. The Torelli incident in comparison is a joke.

Doug taking his time to adress this. Usually he's pretty quick when it comes to showing off who has the moral high ground...

There seem to be two related messages in Fee's meme: first, that certain groups of people should not be allowed to reproduce, and second that if you are unfortunate enough to have a mentally handicapped child, then it is your fault.

fees is bringing down the brand

Doug is playing Poker After Dark tonight, Buying in for the Minimum

fkn nit

Fees is destroying Upswing single-handedly. Awesome.

I never understood what he brought anyway. Serious question, what games does he even play online? I saw some of his Bovada PLO play and it was awful. Although he probably crushed because Bovada.

Like 75% of the content in the Lab and 90% responses in fb group?
Maybe you don't like him but fees is very very good at NL.

poor fee not famous enough to have his own flaming thread in nvg
new low
after making fun of the disabled of course

I think we need a sense of proportion here. Ryan Fees didn't create the meme, he posted it and then soon after deleted it.

It's the kind of meme that obviously does make some people chuckle but on further reflection of its deeper implications, most people will then realise that it's not nice.

There are similar memes floating about of a very obese parent(s) with obese young children. Same thing applies, maybe amusing at first glance, but not good.

I'm not an extreme PC person, but making fun of someone's socio-economic status, mental health, or obesity is obviously not right.

Can I get a source on that he didn't create it? Looks a lot like a photo he took himself and added the caption over the top... There's no-one else insta-handle at the top like there would be if he'd screenshotted someone elses IG story...

I'm gonna go ahead and say he took the photo and uploaded it himself to his IG story.



I don't know how I feel about Doug responding/not responding to this. Half of me thinks he should have to - he's not Fees dad/brother.
However, at the same time he does have a reputation as the communities 'voice' for anyone who's trying to cheat/scam/be a dick.... him not responding over someone who he's business partners with does look kinda bad.

My assumption (maybe a wrong one) is that he didn't make the meme because I'm pretty sure I've seen it before somewhere, or something very similar. If he did make it then clearly it's worse.

People posting this kind of stuff is a low level form of cyber bullying. I think it's all too easily done on line nowadays. People sometimes click without thinking first.

Whats up guys, just wanted to stop by and say a few things.

First off, Thomas (my video editor) has come down very sick. Had some plans for some more videos before leaving for KOTH 3 but not looking too likely now at this point. Hope he gets better soon.

Second, the QQ vs AA on PAD was completely standard. The AA vs KK was close but also standard unless you want to advocate for call on the flop (both lines are fine). If you want to believe its a punt go for it, but I can guarantee you from a theoretical perspective both of these plays are correct.

Third, I think the Fees story is turning into something it isn't. There is no chance that Fees would make fun of a disabled child. Kids make all kinds of weird poses and he took a picture that made it look like the kid had celebral palsy, but I do not think there is any chance that was the joke.

I have a feeling that what happened here is there were 2 kids going absolutely ape**** and embarrassing their mom at the store. I will say I don't think you should be secretly video taping people for ig stories/snap in general, unless it's something that becomes warranted on its on accord due to the nature of their actions (IE they are purposefully doing something public for attention, or perhaps they are doing something extremely inconsiderate to the people around them, etc). I don't think a mom with her kids falls into that category.

As for the joke itself, not exactly great material. But at the same time, comedians constantly make fun of kids and not having them. You can debate how funny it is, but it is a socially completely acceptable topic to make jokes about how annoying kids are, because frankly they can often times be annoying.

I do think Fees should be more aware of what his posts come across like, and you should always double check what you post to stories to make sure it isn't over the line. I just think he posted without realizing that the child was in a pose that made her look disabled, and I think he has a lesson to learn here. But there is not a chance that he was saying a kid shouldn't be born because she has celebral palsy, that is pure evil and not who Fees is in the least.

80% of the population shouldn't even consider reproducing anyways. I don't know why people get all defensive about "handicapped" children (that's also considered offensive, SJW, it's called "disabled") when most of them are in the category of not having any kind of positive impact on humanity.

This is a derail, but it is terrible to make fun of disabled kids. It is not their fault they are brought into the world with these challenges and there is a special place in hell for making fun of these people who will have such a long struggle ahead of them.

And who will be the judge of who is and isn't allowed to procreate....... you perhaps?

The reason why disabled is a more appropriate term than handicapped is that many, many people who have some mental or physical difficulties, overcome them to make a great impact and contribution to society and to life and those that struggle are still tougher than you or I.

I would rather have a "handicapped" Stephen Hawking on my side than a non disabled Kelvis who perhaps needs to read the book below to understand the full implications and reality of practicing eugenics.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nazi-Eugeni.../dp/3838210956

I didn't say we should make fun of disabled kids. I didn't even consider that picture funny, just cold hard reality. I'm just saying that people go all SJW on disabled people while they themselves tend to belong in a group that does not contribute to humanity, yet they presume their rights to produce standard. Nobody who is born has chosen to do so, therefor no point in blaming them. I'm just saying that more people should consider not reproducing.

I actually have a disability I don't know what your point is. And I have already determined myself not a good candidate for reproduction, yet I don't want to determine that for other people. I just hope more people could consider not having children and make a better decision.

edit: basically what I'm saying it is that people assume they themselves aren't easy targets to be made fun of and don't need to be defended like disabled people could use defense. I am saying that they are as well. By jumping on someone's throat who makes a poor attempt at a joke at disabled people you basically imply that disabled people are fragile snowflakes and crumble under the slightest of pressure and need these white knight SJW's to go help them out. They don't, they tend to be very capable in one way or another and they can take a joke once in a while. I wouldn't want to live in a world where every time someone makes a joke at my expense some SJW comes and punches him in the face.

You said 80% of the population shouldn't even consider having children. If this view was promoted and eventually became government policy then a group of "experts" controlled by politicians would decide who is and isn't allowed to have children.

The situation would quickly evolve into something similar along the lines of 1930s/40s WWII European eugenics, perhaps not with involuntary euthanasia but certainly with mass involuntary sterilisation.

This would be an evil state of affairs in my opinion.

Eugenics is a complex subject and not to be dismissed completely, but the consequences of an all out eugenics end game are unthinkable.

Deciding to take children is just like deciding to vote. You have that right but I think many people should choose to not utilize this right. I am not saying anyone else should be the judge in this because it violates that right. If it was promoted and people agreed they could just choose to not get children, there is no need for enforcement.

Of course in practice, certainly in the short term, it's impractical. What I am pointing out is that people are upset when you make fun about not having children when the chances are high they will have a disability but that they don't realize that they aren't so superior themselves. I just find it hypocritical.

Your commentary on people being hypocritical for feeling superior is extremely ironic. The posts you've made indicate that you feel yourself vastly superior to a minimum of 80% of the population. (This seems silly given how bad you are at English and coming off with any respectability). There is nothing hypocritical about not making fun of disabled children. You're not more thick-skinned or intellectual for making fun of "SJW"'s disabled children. People aren't advocating optimal strategies of risk/reward for childbirth with inferior genetics when they follow social norms. It doesn't cross their mind, and it actually seems crazy to think that making fun of disabled kids has some virtue in your mind.

That's a nice first post. Got so triggered you had to make an account?